Baby bird, really so different from a "fetus"?

they do, and they are ready for a soul\lifeforce to enter their vessels at different times

 

Any evidence of that? Any attempt at even speculative argument why you believe that might be the case??

Please don't tell me you believe the soul only enters at birth.

 

"The earliest stages of a bird in its egg are amazing and exciting. A study of this change is educational and interesting and gives us insight into how humans are formed.

On the second day, the neural groove forms and the head portion develops into the parts of the brain. The embryo is developed enough that flexion and arching of the embryo begins, the ears begin development, and the lenses in the eyes begin to form.

At the end of the third day of incubation, the beak begins developing and limb buds for the wings and legs are seen.

Torsion and flexion continue through the fourth day. The chick’s entire body turns 90 degrees and lies down with its left side on the yolk.

By the end of the fourth day of incubation, the embryo has all organs needed to sustain life after hatching, and most of the embryo’s parts can be identified. The chick embryo cannot, however, at this point be distinguished from that of mammals.

By the seventh day, digits appear on the wings and feet, the heart is completely enclosed in the thoracic cavity, and the embryo looks more like a bird. After the 10th day of incubation, feathers and feather tracts are visible and the beak hardens."

The Avian Embryo | Mississippi State University Extension Service (msstate.edu)

 

you have any proof it's not, if not, then the choice is up to the mother, not you or me or the government

the soul enters the vessel when the body can support life, and it leaves it when it can't - sometimes people die before their body stops working

 

You are giving me whiplash I am shaking my head so badly

University of NSW has a whole online text/course on Embryology

https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Main_Page

And there is a whole body of science called “comparative embryology”

 

Here's a human fetus at 7 weeks:


Life Before Birth | Just The Facts


And a chick at approximately 7 weeks (from time of conception) can be seen here:
Chick picture

I do see a little bit of resemblance.

 

Asinine STRAWMAN BS noted!

So you CANNOT tell the DIFFERENCE between a BABY and a FETUS?

That EXPLAINS a great deal about the pervasive ignorance in the content of your posts on this topic.

Arguing against ignorance is a fool's errand which is WHY I am shaking my head and walking away instead.

Have a nice day!

 

These threads are getting more and more ridiculous.

You can't contain your own multi-species analogy at your preferred egg stage. We will make you follow it through so that you can see exactly where this heads when regulating and compromising the rights of American women . We will think of them as adult birds!

Do you intend to restrict the rights of American women to those of a chicken hen or can you see significant differences that would oblige laws to treat women as have more autonomy and rights than those afforded a chicken hen imprisoned against its will inside a chicken coop,waiting to be slaughtered and eaten? Should your mother or sister' rights to medical decision-making be constrained to those of your pet to choose its medical care?

So are adult female birds really so different from adult female women? You tell me!

You need to THINK before you post any wild and desperate analogy that ever popped into the brain of a pro life blogger.

 

If a baby bird is not different from a fully developed bird, in terms of any argument that could be made for rights to be accorded, then why do you think a human fetus would be different from a 5-year-old child, when it comes to rights?

Sure, you might try to bring up the "It's inside the mother and inconveniencing her" argument, and that's fine, that's a separate issue, but what about when it comes to the specific developmental part of the abortion argument?

To argue that it cannot have reached the developmental equivalent of "a baby" at 5 weeks, when everyone agrees a bird is a bird by 5 weeks gestation, seems asinine.

 

Dictionary

gestation

noun

1. the process or period of developing inside the womb between conception and birth.

 

after we leave this body we are like moth's attracted to the light, the light of life, the life of a bird being born, the life of a baby being born - the tunnel of light you see is through the eyes of your new vessel as it's being born - if for some reason you are pulled back to your current body "near death experience with a tunnel of light", the new vessel may die, unless someone else enters it in time

thus birth is when life enters the vessel

 

Your question was about the difference between a fetus and born/hatched young. That is literally defined by be being inside or outside the womb (or egg).

If you're talking about gestational development, you need to understand the rate of development of different species. Budgies will indeed hatch a matter of weeks after fertilisation but they also reach adulthood in around one year and only live around a decade. The budgie just after hatching is at a similar proportion of their development as a human just after birth.

As it happens, human babies are born at an earlier proportional gestational age than many other mammals because our larger brains (and therefore heads) would make birth too difficult any later. That is why babies are more helpless for longer after birth compared to a lot of other mammal young.

Incidentally, while interesting, I fail to see what any of this has to do with the topic of abortion.

 

What is your opinion on the woman's right to choose? You've always been a bit dodgy.

 

They have the same rights to choose their medical care options as every other female bird does.

 

I suppose if humans had pregnancies like elephants, people would be saying it's okay for her to abort in the Fourth Trimester.

(if you don't get the joke, there are only three trimesters in a normal human pregnancy, and elephant pregnancies last more than twice as long as human pregnancies)

 

I think we need to examine that argument more closely and apply some logic.

Some could argue that a budgie at one year is not more "developed" than a baby at one year. But that depends on exactly what we mean by the word "developed", doesn't it?

We do also have to remember that it is true that once the offspring exits the womb (or egg), development takes place at a more rapid rate because of several factors, size constraints being removed, but also being able to eat food and having more direct access to air.

 

Well, at least you proved to be dodgy on the subject, like I said.

 

The funny thing about the word fetus is it just means offspring like baby or child. So it's like saying that isn't a cow it's le vache

Don't argue about the word fetus just tell them that it means offspring because that's what it means.

 

Terminal lack of sense of humor. That seems to be the number one primary symptom of sjwdom

 

Disingenuous OUT of CONTEXT distortion of the FACTS!

https://www.rxlist.com/fetus/definition.htm

DEFINITION OF FETUS

• Medical Editor: Charles Patrick Davis, MD, PhD

HOME MEDICAL DICTIONARY

Fetus: An unborn offspring, from the embryo stage (the end of the eighth week after conception, when the major structures have formed) until birth.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetus

fetus
noun
fe·tus ˈfē-təs

: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind
specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth

 

It would indeed be great if you could start applying any kind of logic. You've still not even tried to explain what the point of your OP was or what it has to do with abortion.

Well, we're specifically talking about gestational development, which is a fairly well defined concept. It's obviously not entirely straight forwards, especially when comparing significantly different species, but I think the core concepts and principles are fairly simple, as I laid out. From a purely biological point of view, the purpose of this development is for the individual to reach the point where it can successfully procreate, so when it reaches sexual maturity is a clear comparable point between pretty much all species.

Even if that were true (and, much like the definition of "development", I'm not sure it's that simple), what does that have to do with anything?

 

Your argument is based on NOTHING other than emotion.

And, comparing that to the health concerns of women is just plain not acceptable.

 

She doesn't have firm grasp of biology and never specifically says what her views are....she is pro-choice.
As to a lack of humor, I have many times laughed at your posts.

 

Blaming other people for your lack of a sense of humor will not help you.

You're excuses are dismissed.

 

Your propaganda is becoming worse and worse, lmao.