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Biden and Putin agree to 'principle' of summit discussing Ukraine

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  1. Arkanis

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    The Ukrainians are now the villains in the minds of MAGA.

    We are there.

    And Putin doesn't want Ukraine... even though 200,000 of his troops are surrounding the country.

    Still, I'm glad you're just a poster on this forum rather than a senior member of the government.
     
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  2. Arkanis

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    It would be nice if everyone (including you) had no preconceived bias as to who was the villain Ukraine or Russia.:roll:
     
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  4. Arkanis

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    I will try to be as objective as possible.

    Putin is a dictator with expantionist aims and who imprisons/silence/empoisons his political opponents.

    He has turned Russia into a kleptocracy and runs the country with his oligarch friends.

    Ukraine is a democracy that seeks peace, support from the West and NATO.

    Between the two, the choice is difficult.
     
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  5. XXJefferson#51

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    Since my post was merged with a liberals thread on the issue I hereby abandon mine and the topic.
     
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  6. Egoboy

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    I personally couldn't care less what T**** supporters FEEL about NATO.... It's how the organization is handling this issue that tells me that NATO is essentially as strong as ever.

    Ukraine wants in, and long time neutrals Sweden and Finland are making noises about considering membership...

    That's not a weakened entity, IMHO...
     
    Egoboy, Feb 21, 2022
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  7. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol::roflol:

    Be quicker next time....I bet even Breitbart is aware of this by now... ..... ...... well, maybe...

    LOL at liberal thread... I even used Faux News as the URL, just to make the RW happy....

    Seems that's a bridge too far these days
     
    Egoboy, Feb 21, 2022
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't see that yet... publicly agreeing to think about maybe meeting sometime in the future doesn't cost him anything... I don't see how a 1 week delay messes anything up for him either.

    Frankly, he could have gone before the Olympics, but didn't do that either... He wanted to watch his figure skating teenager suffer instead....
     
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  9. Hey Now

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    I still think the ground is too soft. Mild winter in those parts.
     
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  10. mdrobster

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    It costs money to keep troops in one area doing nothing and also retards their readiness, Putin knows this without saying. Putin can just as easily go into Ukraine and negotiate from there. Strategically it doesn't help him.

    Putin is an egomaniac that is for sure.
     
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  11. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Below is probably what he wants.... Ukraine busted into 4-5 new countries that he controls.. Not that these "countries" will be recognized by most of the world...

    This isn't good news

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-military-claims-ukrainian-attackers-143126993.html
     
    Egoboy, Feb 21, 2022
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  12. AmericanNationalist

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    No, it's not good news. But also NATO isn't 'stronger' via more members. The whole point of NATO was to serve as a counter balance to the Soviets(who by and large were the Russians, then and now.) And on that front, NATO is losing badly. Finland and Sweden want in, not so much because NATO has deterred Russia, but rather safety in numbers.

    The problem is, the Europeans haven't spent much on their defense and for us to get meaningful firepower on the ground leaves us behind the 8-ball if we are to participate in the European War. TLDR: Too little, too late for the European countries, we're all behind the 8 ball to Putin's aggression.
     
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    Yours wasn’t up what I started to post mine. Have at it. Enjoy.
     
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  14. Egoboy

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    Putin can militarily defeat any single country in Europe. He cannot defeat NATO, whatever the US participation is...
     
    Egoboy, Feb 21, 2022
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    The constant flip-flopping between "Russia is going to invade any second now!!!" and "Biden saved the day! Russia is not going to invade anymore!" is giving me whiplash. I wish leftists would pick a narrative and stick with it for at least a few days.
     
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    Well, President Biden royally screwed us over with "not one inch of Nato land". Since the majority of Nato land is European land by default. We should consider ourselves in, even if a missile hasn't been launched yet. Now, there's a difference between this and WWII and lend-lease and why that may not be a success this time.

    Lend-lease allowed us to successfully buff up Soviet/English arms against the Nazi invasion, as the Nazis had a longer supply chain. But through Nato expansion, the closer their borders are to Russia, the lesser the distance. Even if we arm these smaller European countries, it might either not get their in time or enough to make a difference.
     
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    Just a reminder from the last time the Democrats were in charge of foreign policy:

     
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  18. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only narrative I've seen presented is that the ball is in Putin's court.... If you are interpreting anything else incorrectly.... well... hey.... we get it...
     
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  19. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't disagree with some of that, but I'll need you to explain how the Nazi's had a "longer supply chain" than the US providing lend-lease material to Europe...
     
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  20. AmericanNationalist

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    What the US/Western Powers need to set out to do is to create a new demarcation line between the Ukrainians and the Russians. If this can be done with a UN peacekeeping force, that would be wonderful. But more than likely, we ourselves will need to hurry if we're to avoid a greater conflict.
     
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    Our allies who fought and bled with us for 20 years.

    We straight up left with no watning and then our allies.had to organize their own withdrawal.
     
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    Well, I googled and I'll admit that geography isn't my friend. The Nazis were definitely closer than we were :p. Of course, the winter weather proved a greater factor. But my overall point is still bore out by our distance to Europe: Our aid won't get there in time this time, because of how close the combatants are.

    We should act proactively now, to form a wall between the Russians and the Ukrainians.
     
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    exactly. It is easy to trash him...........but how about some constructive ideas as to how this should be handled. What specifically is he doing so wrong?? Maybe hie is not a big enough bully in some eyes. Maybe they want Rambo style diplomacy. ........

    The thing is none of us know all the variables and facts involved.......... and diplomatic resolutions to major issues are challenging.

    If anyone thinks that a mentally unsaleable emotionally erratic , toxic person is a constructive leader....... not sure one can trust their judgement about people.
     
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  24. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We aren't sending troops into Ukraine and we certainly aren't sending troops into Russia or Belarus...

    Our wall will have to be a diplomatic/sanctions/cyber wall...
     
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    Putin signs decrees recognizing separatist regions in eastern Ukraine

    Russian President Vladimir Putin signed decrees recognizing the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic on Monday, a provocative move as fears of an invasion mount.

    Earlier in the day, the heads of the self-proclaimed pro-Russian republics requested the Kremlin leader recognize their independence and sovereignty.

    https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-new...qHuLTlHCph5sLsI0ukrWcoflj&bt_ts=1645473948588
     
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