Biden doing exactly what Trump said he would do regarding Chinese cars.

It seemed like a few months ago yeah Donald Trump made this exact proposal but everyone ignored it to focus on the fact that he said the word bloodbath. Biden's planning to increase the terrorists on Chinese goods imported from 25% to 100% And it specifically focused on electric cars funny that's exactly what Trump said.

And what's interesting is when Trump put tariffs on things it was going to cause a trade war that it didn't cause but I'm betting those same people that whine about that are silent about this.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...hite-house-to-expand-tariffs-on-chinese-trade

 

Trump is the real threat, imagine if Biden said this...

 

Trump put tariffs of things and look at prices today....

I support the trump tariffs, but wages have to increase and republicans are blocking that with higher interest rates, there has to be a balance

 

Biden is protecting the American auto industry from being out-competed by China. One thing I learned when I took economics classes is that foreign firms that have everything cheaper can move into another country's economy and destroy the native firms that can't compete. Biden won't let that happen. This is a new stage of economic development, post-globalization. Now, we're getting into protectionist economic policies under President Biden.

 

Why was it a trade war when Trump proposed the same thing?

Just doing what Trump said he would do so why is it evil when Trump does it that's what I'm curious about?

 

I don't know about what it was like when Trump was president, but things have changed over the years. Basically we're living on borrowed time until China invades Taiwan and in the meantime, we need to get away from Chinese dependence. The key to that is America first and building up American industries to replace those industries where we rely on China because China's cheap. We've got to make them un-cheap by basically putting tariffs that keep local firms competitive.

 

Were you frozen in Carbonite or something? Biden's move was a campaign speech by Trump that everybody ignored so they could flip out about the word bloodbath.

what things have changed to be specific.

that's been since China existed as a separate entity so that's not something that's changed in the past 7 years.

why all of a sudden the concern with this because it's a matter of time before China invades Taiwan you since the founding of China? To that since 1949 but all the sudden it's a problem that we need to focus on from 3 months ago because Biden didn't say the word bloodbath

since when are biden bots America first? They weren't 5 weeks ago, they were the extreme opposite because Trump said bloodbath.

but why the complete 180 reverse 5 Weeks later now that Biden said that same thing Trump said?

That's the part I'm trying to understand is that too far back for you to remember? Your mind just conveniently deletes everything that contradicts whatever you say right now?

 

Yes, if we want to keep our auto industry we have to figure out how to make it competitive.

We can't protect uncompetitive industries forever. The population isn't interested in paying more than other nations for high quality transportation.

We already went through this with the Japanese automobile invasion. They delivered products that met what consumers wanted, while our legacy companies did not.

Trying to force Americans to buy worse products by adding tariffs may work for a while, but the bottom line is that if we can't build competitive cars, that won't be solved by tariffs.

 

It's not what Trump is saying now.

He promised to end clean energy and EVs if BigOil would contribute a billion dollars to his election!

 

Perhaps introducing competition is a great way but do you know how much of an American car is manufactured in China? The CEOs of the car manufacturers still have to make all their money so if a Chinese car is tariffed at 100% how much will all the Chinese components of American cars be?

Part of the issue with American cars is government interference. Little trucks didn't exist anymore because the EPA thinks they pollute too much but not the ultra mega f 950 with duel rear axel and v10 engine.

There's only two left.

Chinese built copy mobiles will absolutely be worse.

 

He promised to end EVangelist lies about clean energy? That's great far too many people believe driving a substandard car that slave children in Africa have you move 200 tons of earth per car is somehow green and clean. It's a scam. 100% of all environmental pop culture is a scam.

Keep campaigning for Donald Trump.

 

I think it all started during Biden's early presidency. We were getting a feel for diplomatic relations with China, and then Nancy Pelosi took a trip to Taiwan and outraged the Chinese. They were not happy and then we discovered that most of the electronic hardware of computers around the globe depend on the chip made in Taiwan. since China displayed hostility, we know they're up to no good despite what they were telling us beforehand. And then, when Russia invaded Ukraine, China has been considering their goal to invade Taiwan at the same time to overwhelm the United States with the idea that we can't respond to all of the crises at the same time as they are happening in the world.

 

Yes, there are numerous ways to plan tariffs.

Today, American EVs can fail to qualify for rebates because various parts came from China.

Yes. Tariffs are "government interference" causing prices to be higher.

I agree that the way emissions are regulated is ridiculous.

But, Toyota leads in US sales. Saying that there are few others of significance means little in this conversation, as US models don't compete well with Toyota.

China is the world leader in battery technology - by FAR. All US EV designers need to deal with that, as charge time and distance on a charge are two of the major competitive features.

You can disparage Chinese cars, but China is making serious progress on being the manufacturers of the world's cars - which is their focus.

US tariffs won't slow that.

 

Actually, he is blatantly advertising that he is for sale.

 

You're all in on that lie from "anonymous sources" too?

 

Biden is not exactly promising to do what Trump promised. Biden is talking about Chinese EV's and Trump was talking about Chinese EV's built in Mexico. Currently Chinese companies are building factories in Mexico to build EV's and take advantage of the North American Trade Agreement to ship them into the US relatively tariff free. Trump wants to stop that.

 

what started?

No it all started during Nixon's presidency he opened trade with China. To pretend or diplomats were profoundly ignorant of Chinas intention on taiwan all that time is way worse an indictment then I ever made.

The country and government that killed 78 million people in the 1960 and has been actively doing ethnic cleansing all the way up until today we just learned about their intuitions when Democrats decided to start a protectionist movement this week?

How is it I know way more than all of the Democrat party on this?

Since 1949.

 

By having Biden copy his every move? Explain?

 

So Biden is pretending to do what Trump suggested only to let the Chinese patty-cake around it?

 

As in the batteries on all electric cars come from China's colonization and enslavement of the Congolese?

It's amazing how these people are Aokay with colonizing as long as it's Chinese dictators setting up apartheid and whipping black slave children.

All so you can have your environmentally disastrous EV virtue signal.

Despicable.

Toyota has been reluctant to fall for the EV scam.

They are the leader in environmental destruction and enslavement and colonization too.

How does that Xi Jinping fallice taste?

You mean the lies about those things are competitive features. Remember you are talking about a scam.

No I'm being generous.

Then why are all their cars a rip off of something else, a cheap imitation? They are terrible at manufacturing that's why the words "made in China" aren't synonymous with quality.

They just make a lot of trash that stupid people buy. If you want to drive around in a crematorium on wheels it's your life. I'd rather walk

People burning to death in a few of them will.

Remember this is the country that poisoned it's own children by mixing toxic plastic pellets in with rice to save a few pennies. They don't give a **** if you burn to death in one of their road flares.

This will bring about the absolute demise of the electric car.

 

I don't know what the plan is or will be for the USA or what Trump campaigns on.

I'm well aware of the EV manufacturing in Mexico, and I do consider it as serious competition for US auto manufacturing.

A point for the rebates on EVs was to give manufacturers time to catch up. Today, they still lose large dollars on every EV they sell. And, they are NOT good EVs.

I don't believe today's legacy manufacturers can count on a future of ICE vehicles. For one thing, they way they source parts and sell through dealerships puts them in a serious economic bind. They share their profits with far too many companies. Remember that they even share the profits with some foreign company that makes the oval Ford badges that attach to their vehicles!! That works at high volume. But, when they lose some volume to EVs, that's a problem - as are dealerships when others sell direct.

I think our legacy automakers have a number of problems that will require some real creativity to solve.

 

Legacy automakers just need the government mandate to ban ICE to go away.

I'm guessing that will happen next month. After that EVs will just go back to being a rich person's niche vehicle and it really won't matter much where they're built.

 

The good batteries don't use cobalt anymore.

Toyota is off its nut. They keep talking hydrogen. But, that is NOT a viable fuel due to its price - let alone other factors.

So, you have a deep seated hate for China.

Outside of China, ICE vehicles burn much more often than do today's EVs.

Inside China, there are a hundred EV manufacturers, and not all of them are safe. But, their exports are from the highly successful companies, while the rest are on financial death watch.

Yes, China has gone through some unbelievably hard times.

But, they are advancing EV technology faster than we are, by a LOT. US EVs worth a damn will be using batteries designed in China, because they are unquestionably superior.

 

I just use some of the resource that China enslaves people to mine.

when it's a nutty evangelist that believes all of the lies about this that says this such as yourself they're the only ones with sense.

as far as electric cars go it's not that fuel seeing as that's coal and natural gas it's the moronic way it's stored and delivered that's the problem.

yes the Chinese government is absolutely despicable. In the 1960s they killed more people than 10 Hitlers. And they're in the process of ethnically cleansing the Chinese Muslims, and they are colonizing and then sleeping black people they're evil.

Everyone should hate them they're anti-human. And they're belching out far more pollution than 50 Americas.

If you had a single brain cell in your skull you would hate them too.

not really much of an argument here. Outside of China most people aren't stupid enough to buy them. Or maybe because they don't live under a dictator they're able to buy something not terrible.

none of them are safe communism doesn't make good cars it never has doesn't make good anything except for graveyards.

because the government that's in power right now put them through hard times.

They aren't any better they're just more broke.

other than stealing other people's tech with China is been notorious for doing for decades and making it cheaper because they have slaves what are they advancing.

They're just making more if they start selling their **** boxes here that will ruin them.

In China there's tofu dreg. Building slapped up in a few months fall down and killed thousands of people and nobody cares because the government killed 78 million once. And they don't give a damn about quality control there is a few high-rises that were several years old so would be pretty new by our standards that burnt the ground because their fire equipment had failed even though it was inspected over and over and over.

This government wants its own people dead that means they don't give a f*** about you.

If you buy the stupid death trap from them they take your money that's all they care about. Your family doesn't get to sue them they get to go on continuing to kill other people too.

If we let these things into our country it will be the end of electric vehicles.

This is why you shouldn't buy an electric vehicle and why we should get away from supporting electric vehicles and Battery hybrids. Because the only way that they're viable as a business is for there to be Chinese apartheid and slavery.

That's a giant enormous clue that your virtue mobile is virtueless

 

Criminalizing any attempt to mandate EVs as it supports child slavery and for a crappy more environmentally damaging vehicle.

Well they'll put all of the legitimate manufacturers out of the EV business (good) and when enough people watch their house, apartment complex, office building or family members burn to ash they'll be out too

No EVs are good that's why people quit buying them in 1904 and never did in those Numbers ever again.

No longer making real vehicles will be the end of them.

No they'll just ask the government for more money. And they'll pay.