Biden doing exactly what Trump said he would do regarding Chinese cars.

Whether we like it or not, the Chinese are consistently building a "better mouse trap". Our response is to load this superior "mouse trap" down with tariffs. But history shows that nobody can smother a better product in a free-market arena just by unilaterally taxing it to death... because the world today is a hell of a lot bigger than just the United States.

And as I pointed out earlier, the tariffs are not just on EV cars. NO! It's on steel, aluminum, SEMICONDUCTORS, lithium batteries, etc. You may not be in the market right now for an $80,000 electrical car, but what ELSE do you buy that will have its price jacked up because of Biden's tariffs?!

Make a list, and get to the stores quick before they change the prices on damn near everything you buy! Hint: look around you... how many things that you see in your daily life are made in China and have semiconductors inside them?!

 

I think what the tariffs have in mind is look like they care without actually caring. If byd sets up a factory to build their **** boxes in Mexico well the tariffs aren't really there than are they cuz it's not coming from China.

It's a half measure. Why not tariff all goods from Chinese companies at 500%?

I say that idiots by these when they burn to death or their house burns to a crisp and the roadways safety commission starts issuing reports on these Chinese s*** boxes people will stop buying them.

They stopped buying Fiat and they didn't have a tendency to burst into flames and cremate everything in their vicinity. They were just terrible.

 

The Congo was a source of cobalt. Modern batteries don't use cobalt.

China leads in patents and manufacturing of batteries, EVs, solar panels, and other clean energy components. They don't rip us off for that kind of stuff because their designs are clearly superior.

Due to Biden, Tesla is having to find substitutes for Chinese batteries. That is impacting Tesla, as the CATL batteries they planned to use are lighter, hold more energy and charge substantially faster. Plus, they last longer, but that's not a real issue anymore.

Yes, people understand the ramifications of having to try to sell an equal product at a higher price - but, in this case our products made in the US will be more expensive AND WORSE.

 

it's not a better mousetrap it's a cheaper one. And it's typically a knock off.

or turn our roadway into a laboratory to text Chinese quality control?

If they don't disappeared mouse trap that's all we would have.

I think it's more about smothering a substandard inferior product. I'm okay with Chinese companies turning our roadways into laboratories as long as they are held liable for it. So unless you can sue the company that's making these time bombs they should be accepted in the US but not at a tariff or unless we're talking 5000%.

We've been tender eggs because a child might choke on it. We can ban 2,000 lb road flares that can burn a child to death.

I guess I would be okay with removing all tariffs on slave made steel if we can have a total ban with no tariffs on Chinese death traps.

They don't even care when these cars burn up their own people.

I agree it shouldn't say made in China it should say ripped off in China, and produced by slaves.

 

EVs catch fire a lot less frequently than do ICE vehicles.

If you are worried about fire, buy an EV.

Yes, there are a lot of pathetic EVs on the market today. But, there are also some good ones. Tesla Y was the world wide leader in sales volume last year. There are other good ones, too.

 

right so China is simply colonizes another country and Africa and enslaves their children to dig up whatever raw materials your new slave battery is going to need.

probably easy to manufacture s*** very cheap when you have slaves. Also they don't have to rip us off they rip everyone off. They don't do development.

Aww no more slave batteries for The virtue mobiles.

they don't hold more energy they may last longer I'm not sure, and they absolutely do not charge faster.

No material that Elon Musk can pretend exists and he does that a lot can break the laws of physics.

You can't trust anything anyone says about electric cars because they're trying to sucker idiots into buying into them.

Right because there's a whole lot of American car dealerships burning to Ash like in China.

Lol

What won't you believe?

 

NO. Chinese cars and other clean energy products from China are designed in China and are superior to US designs.

You can not call them knock offs.
They pass our NTSB testing.
They catch fire less often than ICEs.

They do get serious subsidies and investment from their government, and tariffs matching that would be more than justified.

 

CATL batteries - the ones being tariffed out of being used, are free of cobalt and nickel.

So, for the present, batteries will undoubtedly use those elements - BECAUSE of the tariffs

uh, you!

(Sorry!)

 

it's not really about frequency, it's about intensity. I feel like diesel powered car and they burn it $800 or so degrees and fighting the fire is rather conventional all you have to do is starve at a oxygen.

An EV battery is an oxidizer. So it burns with much more intensity and you can't fight it.

List all the freighters that sank because the gasoline in the tanks of the cars they're shipping over here cause it to burn. Oh wait you can ship them without the gasoline in them.

And also byd had it dealership burned to the ground and if you have a conventional vehicle catch on fire at a dealership you can fight that fire pretty conventionally so it doesn't burn the entire dealership to the ground.

so I can be trapped in it and burned to death as has happened with Evie's that's a good idea. And I'm sure burning it 4000° is the same as burning at 800.E

that's the totality of the market. The best of the best couldn't compete with my 15-year-old truck.

high volume doesn't equal good. Pet rocks sold in high volume. The willingness of people to buy stupid over priced things is exactly how Apple stays in business.

compared to other shitty electric vehicles sure. But wouldn't compare it to anything that runs on gas or diesel no there's not.

You have to charge them you don't have to do that with a gasoline vehicle. That makes a rust bucket built in 1954 better than all Tesla's combined.

 

no they're ripped off in China.

China doesn't design anything

they are absolutely knock off I just did so yes I can.

all that takes is money and nothing else.

but when they catch fire they burn hot enough to melt concrete and you cannot fight that fire and they release toxic smoke. 10,000 ice fires is probably better than one electric car fire.

so they're such crap and people don't want them so much that you have to bribe people to buy them with government money.

Let's let the free market decide

 

That ship was found to have burned for other reasons - not EVs.

LIke with laptops and phones, mistakes have been made. And, in China there are 100 EV manufacturers, which includes some that are desperate and ready to cut corners - but by no means able to export.

You point to charge time. But, that is what these tariffs prevent from improvement. The government can help with ensuring EVs don't improve!

 

where did the raw materials come from and who makes them?

and the people buying electric cars should feel guilty for that. Children have to be enslaved for their virtue signal.

So you won't believe truth but you will believe whatever marketing lies con artists will make up to get you to part with your money.

I say ones born every minute

 

so when the fire spread to the EV batteries and they burned it 4,000° f that helped the ship stay afloat?

Ice cars can ship with minimal fuel and when they burn they don't burn hot enough to melt steel. And you can fight the fire by just pouring water on it.

And you're going to trust the Chinese on this with the people who sell these cars to their own people and let them get burned to death in vehicle fires and so forth? Also the same country that was mixing toxic plastic into rice to save a few pennies on manufacturing knowing that children in China would eat this.

You can't trust China they're liars.

yeah that's the dagger in the heart to these high range electric vehicles.

the only way to improve charging time is to invent on new element with more electrons that it's willing to give up and that will give them up easy.

So aside from manufacturing individual atoms or mining the inside of a star or asteroids or perhaps Jupiter there's not going to be any improvement.

It really pays to know how batteries work. You wouldn't believe this charge time bologna if you knew what you were talking about.

Battery chemistry is high school level stuff you should know this. If you slept through high school or were on drugs you can Google it. I've seen explanations that 7 year olds can understand.

There's no reason for you to be in the dark about this. Knowledge is power and once you have the knowledge you can know anyone talking about quicker charge times is lying to you.

 

I'm going to try and explain this as simple as possible because you seem to have a problem understanding it.

If the ship is full of dynamite. And a fire starts because of a chemical reaction and someone's coffee or a magical leprechaun dropped a spark it doesn't matter.

The dynamite is going to explode where the battery is going to burn at 4,000° f.

Doesn't matter if more fires are fuel by wood frames of houses. If you paint the walls with thermite.

The problem isn't the frequency for which they burn or the cause that made them burn it's the fact that they burn hotter than almost anything else. And they have their own oxygen It cannot be put out.

 

Well if you think I'm misconstruing your posts, you may have a point. We don't seem to be communicating well. I've explained my reasoning multiple times just in this thread and for some reason you are not getting it, so we clearly have a problem communicating on this issue for some reason.

 

Well, Biden isn't conducting a cold war on China with these tariffs.

So, I've wondered how you see them improving America, outside of your cold war ideas.

 

What NTSB testing? You don't need NTSB testing to sell a vehicle in the US.

 

Yeah, I just meant crash protection and other safety requirements.

They sell these cars in Europe, Australia, etc.

The government just doesn't want to allow Americans to buy them.

 

So do they actually meet the NHTSA safety standards?

That's usually the hang up with cheap overseas crap like Chinese anything. Shiite that blows up and kills a busload of school children is generally the reason China's never really sold vehicles in the US.

I'd be surprised if they decided to try that today.

 

Skipping your unsupportable invective ...

Vehicles made in China and currently sold in the U.S. include GM's gas-powered Buick Envision, Ford's Lincoln Nautilus and two all-electric vehicles from Geely-owned Volvo and its spinoff EV startup Polestar.

There are more in Europe. MG is now all Chinese with EV offerings. Stellantis is working with Chinese LeapMotor.

The US is importing EVs from Korea, of course.

 

GMs quality has been dog **** for about 16 years. I bet pollstar mg are terrible too. Volvo that has a 50% stake with China is a hollowed out withered husk of what it once it was. I remember those late '80s Volvo wagons were tanks. And very easy to work on.

 

Great. They use cheap Chinese labor to build them. They don't use Chinese engineering or Chinese testing and certification to get permission to sell them in this country.

Neither does Korea.

Invective that.

 

It is interesting to see how a thread discussing tariffs morphs into complaints and allegations about nearly everything except tariffs....

If EV's are so unsafe, then why do we allow ANY of them on American roadways? Why do Europeans? They're even more 'anal' about vehicle safety than we are -- especially the Germans! If you've ever had any involvement with the Technischer Überwachungsverein (the TÜV), you know exactly what I mean.

Can an EV catch fire and burn up? Yes, it can. Can a vehicle with a gasoline or diesel engine catch fire and burn up? Yes, it can.

 

I've already answered all this on post #97. As I said, we're not communicating in this thread very well because you keep asking the same questions after I've already answered them.

 

Last year I posted to both of you videos of EVs having their batteries changed at a battery station in the same time as filling an ICE car.