Biden is no socialist

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  1. hellofromwarsaw

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    80% of blacks were against bussing at the time. You are parroting ridiculous propaganda. Harris was wrong she's on probation lol. To decide this makes him racist is ridiculous
     
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    It does mean he sided with the racists, however. That is simply the history.
     
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    Biden is one of the most corrupt politicians in the world.... and I include both the South American and African continents in this assessment
     
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    Biden is whatever his handlers want him to be. He is Walter.
     
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    Where have you been?

    Michael Richards would like to have a word.

    And stop moving the goalposts: It was more than a remark. It was actively using the power of his office as a US senator to keep blacks away from his precious lilly white family.

    1. Irrelevant; 2. see: tokenism.

    Proof of nothing.

    See: tokenism.

    Oh? You talked to all 51 million of them?

    I don't care what you believe. The facts are there -- choosing to ignore them doesn't make you right.
     
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    I asked you to cite my use of the term 'Democrats' as you allege.
     
  7. Guy Marsh

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    According to the History Channel's story titled "What Led to Desegregation Busing—and Did It Work?," "A February 1981 Gallup Poll found 60 percent of blacks were in favor busing, while 30 percent were opposed to it. Among white people surveyed, 17 percent favored busing, and 78 percent were against...

    Source: https://www.history.com/news/desegregation-busing-schools

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    I say bullshit. I lived in Mississippi in the 50s, I know racism.

    I once, when I was 14, went into downtown Biloxi to a community center with activities for kids, and there was a pool table there, so I put my quarter on the table to play. When i grabbed my cue, the first thing the fellow across me from said, was, ( in a strong southern accent ) do yew mind n---gers, boy?

    That's what racism sounds like. I assure you, Biden is no racist. A racist president would NEVER have a black running mate, that's not 'tokenism'.
    Remember, he was VP to a black president, so what, that makes him
    a token white, according to your logic?

    THIS IS TOKENISM, Trump's intern staff: What? one or two blacks?

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    But saying, "A racist president would never have a black running mate," is akin to asserting that a misogynist would never be married to a woman. If Kamala Harris' sociopolitical beliefs were along the lines of those of, say, Dr. Angela Y. Davis, then the selection of Harris as vice-president would not be viewed as a manifestation of tokenism. But Kamala Harris is no Angela Davis, not even close.

    As a former and typically vicious prosecutor who, amongst other such things, helped fuel the prison industrial complex by dutifully prosecuting low-level drug offenders of color, Kamala Harris is a proven agent of capitalist class reaction. That is why she was selected. And it is that which reduces her to a mere window dressing. Had Harris ever acted in any of her official capacities to (improve) the well-being of people of color or workers in general, she would not have been selected. She is an embodiment of a modern-day "Uncle Tom."

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    Kamala Harris is a mulata, as the Spanish slang goes. As Black slang has it, she is a redbone, rather like Barack Obama.
     
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    What of Kamala Harris' pigmentation? Let us not focus on her meaningless physical characteristics but upon that which serves to inform her actions, her political ambitions.
    Never do political reactionaries dwell on the skin color of the likes of "house negros" such as Dr. Ben Carson and, say, Thomas Sowell. Reactionaries concern themselves only with Black people's color, whom they have been led to believe are socialists. That double-standard is a part of that which reveals our right-wingers to be the racists they are.

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    I'm not trying to force some double standard or make a racist statement. I merely expressed a fact without moral judgment.

    She is the individual who as AG in California sent many black men to prison for petty crimes, not I.
     
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    I find your position not compelling. Biden, on the whole, is a decent man, and decent men are not racist, despite their shortcomings, which is about all your complaint adds up to. What it doesn't add up to, is 'racism'. However, Trump is a despicable human being, so his deeds (his plethora of racist remarks and deeds, like a full page ad in the NYTimes asking for the execution 5 blacks, AFTER they were exonerated, and Trump NEVER apologized,

    https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1505...webp?w=790&f=83311ce04f0f5365ade1b5c17ec92a9f

    and his being sued twice by NY AG for 'discrimination' acts which trumps -- pun intended--anything you are conjuring up on Biden, with the ostensible motive of furthering a right wing agenda) could rightfully be equated with racism.

    The difference is apparently lost on you.
     
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    A man who has voted in favor of taking the country to all manner of war brought under fraud is NOT a decent man. He is a spineless coward serving special interests and a war monger.
     
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    Very well. But you can understand that commenting about an individual's pigmentation and only that individual's pigmentation could be viewed as racially motivated, right? Otherwise, you would have to direct the readership to the posts in which you commented upon, say, Clarence Thomas' skin color and nothing else.
    Nonetheless, Eleuthera, I do accept the legitimacy of your response. Be well.
     
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    Whatever. He wanted to bus then he didn't want to bus then he did want to bus. He's a socialist so he wants to do what is best. A socialist is simply a fair capitalist everywhere but missinformed fear mongered right wing English speaking conservatives...
     
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    Who the hell are you talking about lol? Certainly not Joe Biden. He and the Democrats were swindled on Iraq along with everyone else. Especially those who only listen to Fox etc. Obama does not start any wars. I believe you have to have casualties and boots on the ground at least have a war.
     
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    I will concede that a republican president bamboozled congress and the senate to go to war, yes.

    But, you are indicting everyone in politics during that time.

    Moreover, I don't call someone a 'despicable human being' for their politics, unless it's putting kids in cages, but mainly for their behaviour in their personal lives. If a president makes a bad foreign policy call, I'll disagree with him,
    but I won't call them a despicable human being.

    Moreover, you indict Biden, then you must indict all presidents since Truman, if you subscribe to Noam Chomsky's point of view, noting that he's correct on the facts, and whether you agree with his position they are all guilty of war crimes, that is more interpretation, but he does provide a compelling argument. What he doesn't provide, is their side of the argument, which I would like to hear before I take his position.



    In fact, if you listen to Chomsky, we live in, and support, therefore, a terrorist country.

    but, what the **** to I know? I'm sure not going to single out Biden. He's, on a personal level, a decent man, far more decent than Donald Trump, and picking him was the correct choice, the only choice.
     
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    Speaking of English, might there be an applicable translation for that, uh, statement?

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    You may certainly comment upon my skin pigmentation, but I'm not a public figure.

    I can comment about a person's physique, foot or hand size, head size, pigmentation of skin and so much more without prejudice or judgment. You can too. :peace:
     
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    Joe has a long and public record in the US government. He has never met a war he did not like.

    The Democrats were swindled? :lol: Surely you jest.

    With huge bipartisan majorities, our elected representatives including Joe Biden and the Dems have given us the USA Patriot Act and the AUMF. I hope you understand the role those illegitimate pieces of legislation played in our Global War Of Terror, our perpetual state of war.

    Joe's been behind all of them. He is a world class war monger.
     
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    I do indict most of Biden's esteemed colleagues. Chomsky is right--our government very much IS a practitioner of terror. What do you think our Global War Of Terror is, a Sunday picknic?

    For what it's worth, the only Senator to vote against the USA Patriot Act was the Democrat Russ Feingold. He was taken out of office not long after.

    The only member of the House to vote against the AUMF was the Democrat Barbara Lee. She was right then, and is more right today.

    If you can still find Oliver Stone's documentary "The Untold History of the United States", watch it. It's depressing because it's too damn true. It will document for you how the US government has been a terrorist organization since before you and I were born.
     
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    Okay. But I did not ask to comment about your pigmentation, for that would be irrelevant.

    To put a fine point on all of this, it is a matter of relevancy. In other words, is denoting a person's pigmentation relevant to the issue or story at hand? If it is so appropriate, then, yes, the mentioning of an individual's skin color is not racially motivated. Noting a person's skin color respecting their susceptibility to Sickle Cell Disease is, for example, very appropriate. But Eleuthera did not present either an issue or a story. He or she focused on nothing more than the color of Kamala Harris' skin. And that is racist behavior, irrespective of whether or not it was so intended.
     
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    Although I employed the term racist in this thread's parent post, it is more accurate to state that Joe Biden is an institutional racist - that he fosters systemic racism.

    Along with his "[Forced school busing] would cause my children to grow up in a racial jungle" comment, Biden, during his incarnation as vice-president, petitioned the Reagan administration to enhance law enforcement and embrace harsher prison sentences. He teamed with the openly racist US Senator Strom Thurmond to bring about the Comprehensive Control Act of 1984.

    This highly reactionary legislation increased penalties relative to cannabis production and trafficking. In 1986 and 1988, he coauthored two Anti-Drug Abuse Acts that imposed much harsher sentences for crack cocaine than powdered cocaine.

    Biden's efforts helped create the fact that racialized mass incarceration unfolded from the early-'80s until now. Spurred by increased sentences and the expansion of law enforcement and prosecutorial powers, the so-called War on Drugs has devastated millions of Black people's lives.

    In her book "The New Jim Crow," Michelle Alexander writes, "Ninety percent of those admitted to prison for drug offenses in many states were black or Latino, yet the mass incarceration of communities of color was explained in race-neutral terms, an adaptation to the needs and demands of the current political climate. The New Jim Crow was born."

    Several other issues point to Joe Biden's service to institutional racism, too, all of which I would be happy to detail if requested. They include the Social Security program (yes, the Social Security program), the Glass-Steagall Act, Obama's drone war, Obama's mass deportation policy, his - Biden's comments relative to Portland, Oregon's BLM protests, his false "I was arrested with Nelson Mandella comment, etc.

    Respectfully, I will say that perhaps what is lost on you, sir, is the fact that, as a socialist and a decent human being, I'm not fond of Donald Trump at all. So your comments about him relative to me are highly misplaced.

    Too, Trump did not make a public demand for the Central Park Five's execution after their prison release. The ad mentioned above, paid for by Donald Trump, appeared in the New York Times on May 1, 1989. The New York Supreme Court vacated the five defendants' convictions on December 19, 2002.

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