Breaking: Proposed Plan to Block Donald Trump from Taking Office Sparks MAGA Fury

Just because she used an opinion, does not mean that opinion is a ruling. It was an opinion. Period. By ONE judge. Again, don't mistake an opinion for a ruling. For someone that is supposed to be a lawyer you would think you'd know the difference.

 

Being a lawyer is the same as being an opinion professional. It's not really an authority.

 

Matey....silly.

You said:

I have just given you one example/proof of how wrong you are. There are thousands of obiter dicta from all Courts including SCOTUS.

I suppose I should add to be complete....for someone that is supposed not to be a lawyer I can understand why you do not comprehend the point..

Zip.

 

A difficult charge to prove individually. But look at the dictionary definition of insurrection. That’s what happened that day.

 

Perhaps you need to learn the difference between "rulings" and "opinions"?

Rulings are the decisions of the courts. This is what lower courts (in the case of SCOTUS rulings) MUST follow.
Opinions explain "why" they came to their rulings. The "why" doesn't really matter except to show justification for the rulings. Opinions can be ignored by lower courts but does help them in making their decisions.

You are trying to claim that one opinion by one judge is a ruling because some other judge used that opinion in their own ruling. Sorry, but the law does not work that way. It might in aussie land....but not in the US.

 

Jaysus Christ.!!!!! FMD.

Read the Thomas decision in the immunity case so you understand I am talking apples and you are talking trite 101.

It started here with this rubbish.

I am dealing with that and that alone.

 

I've read the Thomas OPINION. I know what you are referring to. You are trying to equate Thomas's OPINION as if it is a RULING. It's not. Period. Rulings are what matter. Opinions do not. Rulings are what SCOTUS handles. Everything after that doesn't matter.

 

But you said:

Wrong. Plain wrong. Plain wrong.

And.......if 'everything after that does not matter,' why did Cannon rely just 100% on what Thomas said in a SCOTUS case which had NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WAS BEFORE HIM AT SCOTUS to stymie a prosecution of Humpty* from which he would never have escaped, and still may never escape?

FMD!

Enough.

 

He told them to march to the Capitol and he told them to fight like hell. He stirred them up - incited them - for weeks, even months before Jan 6 and on the day itself. You think injecting the word “peacefully” once changed anything? How many of his insurrectionists even heard that word?
And he certainly did nothing to reinforce that message for hours while the insurrection continued.

 

But you have just acknowledged that the crime can occur without a charge. So your argument here is meaningless. Undermined by your own acknowledgement.

 

Without any objection from Democrats. Unlike the attempt by Republicans to steal the election in 2021.

Note that. Democrats respect the results of elections. Republicans only respect the results if they win.

 

Your problem is that you think that just because Thomas opined on something then that is "SCOTUS handling things beyond what was put before them". Its not. That was Thomas opining on something. SCOTUS did not handle it. One judges opinion is not SCOTUS handling.

And yes, Cannon used his opinion. That still does not mean that SCOTUS handled it. SCOTUS did not. If SCOTUS had then it would have been a ruling. Not an opinion. One opinion from one judge does not make a SCOTUS ruling.

 

Nevermind that right after 2020 Congress changed the law regarding objections. Before such objections were allowed and COMMON in every election.

 

Yes, a few individual objections.
But there was never a concerted effort, supported by the losing candidate, to steal the election. That only happened after the 2020 election.
Own that. Embrace it.
The modern day MAGA Republican Party is the anti-democracy party. Not the party trying to make America great, but the party actively and openly trying to destroy it. While claiming they love it.

 

So Democrats never tried to remove a candidate from the ballot in several states by stretching the meaning of the section 3 in the 14th Amendment while completely ignoring other parts of the Constitution or conducted lawfare by using laws in ways that they had NEVER been used before. Democrats also tried to install their pick rather than letting their constituents choose....one of the many reasons that they lost btw.

 

Democrats applied to the courts. When they lost, they accepted it.
Lawfare? Get real. Trump has been entitled to the same protections as every other defendant / accused. If he has been found guilty or liable, maybe you should consider that he is, in fact, guilty or liable.

It is only the MAGA Republicans who tried to stay in power after losing an election. They did so by refusing to certify the results, and through violence.

 

Only 3 States actually invoked section 3 of the 14th, until the Supreme's rewrote the Constitution.

Fourteenth Amendment
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

It's pretty clear that tRaitor tRump should never have been allowed to run for president again. In his lame duck term he will do his worst to prove to us why.

That is just one of the long list of lies tRumpublicans used to get a traitor reelected.

That's Bull **** and more tRumpublican nonsense. There is no question that President Biden should never have run for a second term. But his pulling out when he did left NO time for a primary and put VP Harris in the unenviable position of mounting a Presidential campagin only 96 days before the election against an opponenet that announced his bid 2 years before the election but had really been "running since the day he left office nearly four years earlier.

This is just another of the many lies that got tRaitor tRump reelected.

 

I'd call that several. :shrug: But it was more than just 3. LINK: Tracking State Efforts to Remove Trump From the 2024 Ballot - The New York Times

Meanwhile you're ignoring section 5 of the 14th Amendment along with the relevant law enacted by Congress and ignoring the 5th and 6th Amendments. Sorry, but you don't get to claim that SCOTUS "rewrote the Constitution" when you are completely ignoring the rest of the Constitution and relevant laws.

So, you're telling me that Democrats in office didn't know about his mental state? That is what is BS. They could have started out a year ago pushing for a different candidate. There is no requirement that they had to back him for another round. Even if he wanted to run again. There was PLENTY of time. But Dems ignored what was going on with Biden hoping that they could fool everyone into getting him elected again. So they instead pushed every other candidate out of the running, even turning against their own. Until they could no longer conceal what was going on with him. That is their own fault. No one elses. Why did they continue to support him? Because due to his mental state he was a pushover. They could control him and push for their agenda no matter what. It was their greed for power that lost them the election....among many other things.

 

No they didn't. They challenged each and every election right up to Jan 6 of every election whenever they lost. And even then they didn't accept it. Hillary went on a tour claiming how Trump was an illegitimate president after she lost for one of many examples I could give.

Yes, lawfare. Using laws to try and get Trump convicted in ways that those laws had never been applied before. Hell, it got so bad that the governor of NY had to tell businesses to not worry, that this was only about Trump. Even NY's own appeals court is questioning what they've done.

And last I knew, Republicans did in fact certify the results of 2020.

 

If you want to look at it that way then all but 12 States would have followed Colorado, Illinois and Mains lead and kept him off their ballot had not the Supreme's intervened.

No, I am not. You and the Supreme's are ignoring the fact that the 10th Amendment was not "incorporated" in to the 14th. Therefore the States retain their right to enforce the Constitution.

No, I'm not telling anyone that.

I don't think Congress or any American outside of President Biden's inner circle were fully aware of his fragile state until his debate with tRaitor tRump.

All evidence, history, and precedence to the contrary.

But there is a long history and precedence that does.

I don't believe that can be know or proven.

There was only one challenger and he was someone that very few American's had heard of before he announced his challenge. The truth is not viable "other" candidate was going to challenge a sitting President; because of tradition, history and precedence.

Here, I think, we can agree; the reason tRaitor tRump was able to be reelected rests solely on President Biden and his administration.

Because, contrary to popular tRumpublican lies, President Biden's Administration has done a great job of bringing us our of the depths of a pandemic and setting U.S. up for a very successful future. Which tRaitor tRumps proposed policies are sure to derail if he is successful in implementing them.

Which wasn't apparent until the debate.

That's just more RW horse ****, that attempts to obfuscate the great, and many, accomplishments of President Biden's administration.

 

The 10th Amendment would not apply due to Section 5 of the 14th Amendment because it required Congress to enforce the 14th.

Put in purposefully since it was States that were trying to keep blacks from being treated equally.

History and precedence does not equal rules of a private organization.

And there were actually multiple challengers. LINK: 2024 Democratic Party presidential candidates - Wikipedia but like I said, Dem elites pushed them out. If they had backed one of them it wouldn't have mattered that "very few American's had heard of before". With the media behind them.

As for his mental status.... I refuse to believe that the Dem elites did not know of his condition. It was obvious to many long before his run in with Trump at the debate. But instead they covered for him day after day, night after night.

 

Nope, the tenth was not incorporated into the 14th.

"The Tenth Amendment was excluded from total incorporation as well, due to it already being patently concerned with the power of the states"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

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But, sitting President's have almost (I can't think of one) always had "dibs" on running for another/second term.

None of them were viable and would surely have lost to tRaitor tRump.

That's just alternative facts, fantasy.

Good for you.

What was obvious is that he had slowed down, but the great accomplishments of his administration "said", he had earned the right to run.

No, they supported a successful administration until HE proved his ability to serve another term was not there.

 

Again, the 10th Amendment is not and never was a part of the equation due to the 14th Amendments 5th section explicitly putting the power to enforce the 14th Amendment in Congress's hands. The States never had the power to enforce the 14th. There does not need to be an incorporation of the 10 due to the 5th section.

So Dems rely on "dibs"? Even when its obvious the person that gets the "dibs" is clearly mentally incompetent? Sorry, poor excuse.

And the "great accomplishments" of his Administration could be attributed to his handlers more than him. Unless of course you're trying to hide the fact that he was mentally incompetent....and you knew about it. Which is what happened. Dems were more concerned about their power than the country.

As for the "alternative facts, fantasy".... Not even close. This has been proven time and again. If you get the elite Dems and the media behind a candidate...they become very well known and sought after. Hell, its how Biden got elected even though there were plenty of other, younger, and just as well known, candidates that would have easily beat Trump.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

Well you can continue to believe in your fantasies.

Republicans tried to steal the 2020 election after losing. Democrats have not done anything close.

 

Well, I wouldn't have wanted them to do what Trump had his kooks do. They complied with the law, and fulfilled their obligations.