California reparations panel approves payments of up to $1.2 million to every Black resident

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  1. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please read the quotes, to which you reply (or, at least mine):

    DEFinning said: ↑
    Just to try to supply the info, to answer your question, I think there had been slaves in the California Territory, before statehood, in 1850. This thread's article also notes that, though admitted to the Union as a Free State, CA did, for 10 years, comply with the Fugitive Slave Act, and so participated in the returning of escaped slaves, to their bondage.
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    That means, I was putting forth no argument. I was only trying to supply the information, the member had asked about.

    Your reply to me, though, sounds very much like you are putting forth an argumentative point.
     
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  2. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What had occurred with your own family's finances, is not relevant. While, in my last post, I explained that the article does not say that this is among the Commission's recommendations, it would have a more solid grounding in law, than compensating people for presumed/potential unfair treatment, in the past. That is, if the U.S. government had a valid debt, to your family, which had never been paid, you would be entitled to collect on that debt, even hundreds of years later (with interest, I assume).
     
  3. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So the solution to unfair treatment is more unfair treatment?
     
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  4. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't say that. I was only addressing Bluesguy's misunderstanding, about the "40 acres & a mule."
     
  5. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Having black skin and residing in California during the years specified.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    And they have the nerve to label it "Anti- racism". CRT applied as government policy.

    "The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” Kendi
     
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    Ahh the South African model, one big difference, whites in S. Africa are the overwhelming majority. In S. Africa if you own a business, you literally have to give half of it to a black person. As you can imagine, this turned into black lawyers going to businesses and saying just give me x and I'll be your partner and never bother you again. They sure as hell never intended on working for it, just taking successful people's cash. It never ever went to the poor, talk about a racket. It's exactly what the left is leaning towards now and not only will it not work, but it's simply a way to run big money to rich black people already.
     
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    Black men got the vote before women of any color did. In 1865 most state law made the wife, the property of the husband. Should probably throw in reparations for women.
     
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    But what's " black enough " ? What if someone is 3% black? Or maybe they all have to be as black as her? Very few blacks in America look as black as her

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    This ^^.

    Invest whatever money you want to assign to predominately black neighborhoods for small business loans or new construction or whatever, but paying individuals is NUTZ...
     
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    If she were a chicken, she would be an Ayam Cemani.

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    It was your question. Why are people today responsible for it?
    Because that’s how it always works.
     
  13. Steve N

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    In the end, even if they get their money, it won’t be enough and never be, the grievance industry is just too loud. After blacks, LGBs, women, etc will want their cash,
     
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    Let's just send a million or two to non straight white males. My very straight white husband would benefit from my getting some cash.

    I'm in!
     
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    California was admitted to the Union as a free state. The state university and UC university use race as one of the admission criteria. Sounds like the bill has been paid.
     
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    Your take, seems counter-intuitive. I remember when California created this Commission, to study the Reparations issue, and come back with suggestions. It makes no sense for the legislature to have given this Commission the task, if they had no intention of following through on it. At that time, I had thought that the ideas would go no further than guaranteed, low interest business loans, free state college, investment in schools in predominantly black areas, policing & justice system reforms, and the like. I was sure there would be no endorsement of individual payment checks. Do you think the legislature is as surprised by this recommendation, as I am?

    I now think that I may just have been out of the loop, on how many of those with political power, or clout, think about this matter. Though, I do see that there are many others here, who either see it similarly to me, or whose opinions validate what was a main argument of mine, against these checks: that they are not going to solve any systemic problems, but that once white citizens have to foot the bill for them, it is going to make many, less interested in hearing about the way that ongoing problems are affecting blacks. I feel it would push more than a few, towards an "I already gave at the office," attitude of feeling that everything was now squared, for both the past, & into the future.

    Anyway, after this recommendation has been released, it seems hard to imagine the Dems in the legislature now walking it back, too far, without really alienating the blacks in their base. And if California passes this, the issue can hardly help but gain the national spotlight, in a more serious way than in the past, and become a factor in next year's campaigns.
     
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  17. Andrew Jackson

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    Sorry to say...
    But, THAT "Take" is completely misguided...
    Totally LMAO at the notion that the proposal referenced in the OP will ever take effect..
    It AIN'T Gonna Happen...Period!
     
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  18. Andrew Jackson

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    Lolwut???:roflol:
    According to Statistics South Africa, white South Africans make up 7.7% (2022) of the total population in South Africa
     
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    What demographic data are you using?
     
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    Then why appoint the Commission, in the first place? To ignore their recommendations, looks worse than not having created the Commission, at all. That's why I asked if you thought they might not have expected, this kind of recommendation.
     
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    @Andrew Jackson

    Unless, Dems had the votes to form the Commission, but not enough to get it through both legislative chambers, w/out Republicans, and are depending on them, to block it?
     
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    I Will Believe WHEN I See It...
    Until Then?
    "There's no way in the world that many of these recommendations are going to get through because of the inflationary impact," Roy L. Brooks, a professor and reparations scholar at the University of San Diego School of Law, told the Associated Press. Other observers note that the prospect of a recession and California's looming budget deficit could dampen enthusiasm for reparations.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-reparations-panel-report-proposal-text-qualifications/
     
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    I agree. Offering free education to prepare for any trade or profession so that a person can pursue their dream is a good alternative.
    People should still be expected to meet the necessary qualifications for any job or profession they wanted to pursue, whether as a brain surgeon or a plumber.
    Of course, I think that free education should be available to any citizen since it would help the country to have a more capable population.
     
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    I am soooooooooo glad I left California!!
     
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    It wasn't rescinded. It was never offered by Lincoln or the VP.

    Besides, the only ones that could have made such an offer were House Reps as they control the purse strings. Not the President, or anyone else in the Executive Branch.
     
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