Californians Suggest ‘Calexit’ in Wake of Donald Trump Win

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  1. Habana

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    Sounds like the Obama Presidency but I will give him this. Obama's Presidency beat a Hillary Presidency, let's be honest she would have sold anything that wasn't nailed down
     
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    They tried that during the election primaries and lost..... :roflol:
     
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    What "indications" exactly? Sounds to me like you are just fear mongering.
     
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    Bitter and divisive? Oh you must mean Hillary with her basket of deplorables comment or obama with his bitter clingers comment.
     
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    I "liked" your post because I would dearly love to see the West Coasters secede and form their own Socialist Peoples' Republic (or whatever). California's economy would be roughly the size of that of France, so, if it could just offload all the bums, parasites, loafers, and illegals, it might have a chance of succeeding.

    When did Trump send in the Leibstandarte [​IMG] to shoot all the violent, Left-wing "protestors" who have been ranging around the streets of the larger cities since he was elected? When did he close down the "Hamilton" theater, and have all the rude, obnoxious morons connected with it arrested and sent to detention camps? I must have missed it. So, uh, what exactly ARE you talking about, or is this just more completely groundless, hyperliberal paranoia?

    Hint: not everybody considers Law-and-Order a threat and a danger! :eekeyes: And, some people even think that civility is an attribute! :omg:
     
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    I think you completely avoided the points made.
     
  8. Pollycy

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    That's what radical socialists always do when they're called out -- they snipe, then evade, then disappear. You don't hear from them again until they want to launch some other unsupported claim or angst against law, order, the Constitution, or anything else that is a part of cherished, foundational American values. Then, the process repeats itself.

    If you support the Constitution and law-and-order, then, in their eyes, automatically, YOU'RE A NAZI! I have found that if you call a person something they are NOT long enough, after awhile they just say, "OK, (*)(*)(*)(*) it! If that's what you curse me as being, without any reason for doing so, then THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE...!"

    But, of course, in the "new" Kaliphornia Socialist Republic, there won't be any Nazis at all... right...? :roflol:

    [​IMG]. "... and to think... I used to be called nothing worse than an Episcopalian!" :smile:
     
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    CA has no energy infrastructure and no water that doesn't come from the US. Renewable energy isn't cheap and plentiful enough to sustain CA. CA agriculture depends on "foreign" water. CA has technology and Hollywood.

    Texas also has droughts, but not like in CA. Texas has oil, gas, renewables, refineries, it's own power grid, manufacturing, technology, and agriculture. Texas also has ocean ports and can trade with Asia. We could export Toyota trucks to the US. Texas also has 12 million fewer mouths to feed. Texas would also be more able to control our border with Mexico. A wall would keep most Mexicans from wanting to risk wandering in our deserts if they do manage to get under, over, or through our wall. Texas government would be more likely to allow it's people to protect themselves from foreign invaders. It's actually in the Texas Consitution.
     
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    Actually, that is what some people said about Hitler in the 1930s. They sure were wrong. Among the things said was this:



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    The Cali govt already has pledged allegiance to Mexico.
     
  12. Mr_Truth

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    California was a part of Mexico for a much longer time than it was a part of the USA.
     
  13. Texan

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    Texas has been under the flags of France, Spain, Mexico, Texas, The Confederacy, the US, and under control of native Americans before that. At some point, Mexico loses controlling rights. How long has it been since Mexico controlled California, 169 years?
     
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    LOL!!! I might have met three socialists in my life and I've lived on the West Coast my entire life. This notion of socialism vs capitalism is just ridiculous. Any system is a hybrid of both. It is just a matter of finding the proper balance.

    As we have seen with the legalization of pot, assisted suicide, and the right of choice, the West Coast leads the nation in human rights and personal liberty. We are inclusive and not exclusive. We don't believe in religious tests, killing innocent people en masse, or the proliferation of nuclear weapons, We have always led the nation in protecting workers rights and public safety. We put the health of our people over the profits of industry. If you call that socialism, then I guess we're socialists here.
     
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    Ah, I haven't thought about Lisalotte Hübner (Herrmann) in a very long time. From her days as a young student in the Weimar Republic (post-WWI Germany), she was always a very outspoken, devoted member of the Communist Party. She was a follower of other well-known German Communists, such as Rosa Luxemburg, Kurt Eisner, and Karl Liebknecht.
    Germany was almost endlessly a teeming battleground for both the Communists and the National Socialists, and each faction committed what amounted to acts of open warfare on the other. The Communists lost... as they always do....
     
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    Actually, we here in Colorado are way ahead of you in things like recreational and medical marijuana rights. I voted FOR it, too, even though I'm a staunch fiscal Right-wing Conservative. But now, alas, we are awash in expatriate Californians who have brought all their wrong-headed delusional political nonsense with them, along with such a flood of illegal aliens that now, we, too, have a big "sanctuary city" -- Denver.

    I know California, Portland, and Seattle pretty well, having spent considerable time in all those places during my careers. Lots of thoroughly fine, intelligent, hard-working people there... but you are being rapidly replaced by parasitic, lazy slobs and an entire population substructure that thinks it should be entitled to simply sit on its collective ass and be provided with at least a subsistence existence by the government. I would FAR rather that California does that as a separate country... (sort of like Greece....).

    Oh, and when the unhappy day arrives when the Hayward Fault breaks under Oakland, or the Rose Canyon Fault breaks under I-5 in San Diego -- that's when the (*)(*)(*)(*) really hits the fan. San Andreas? Not so much....
     
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    I live in California and have not heard a single individual discussing the topic. As though a handful of morons on twitter who probably didn't even bother to vote somehow represent the state. It is nothing but click-bait. Time is as low-level as it gets.
     
  18. Texas Republican

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    And I haven't heard anyone demanding Trump to disavow the "alt right", but that doesn't stop the media from discussing it 24/7.

    Crazy things are discussed in the media and on twitter, etc. Real people don't care about these things.
     
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    Here's more:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/californians-might-vote-2018-taking-223200544.html

    Californians might vote in 2018 on taking steps toward secession in a 'Calexit'

    Business Insider
    Melia Robinson
    Business InsiderNovember 21, 2016

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    (Protesters against President-elect Donald Trump march peacefully through Oakland, California.Noah Berger/Reuters)
    In 2018, the issue of whether California should secede from the union could come to a head.

    Yes California Independence Campaign, a fringe political group that calls for the state to become an independent nation, filed a proposed ballot measure with the Attorney General's Office on November 21, The Sacramento Bee reports.

    If it garners the half a million signatures required to appear on the 2018 gubernatorial ballot, the measure would strike language from the state constitution that would help clear a path to secession.


    For more news videos visit Yahoo View, available now on iOS.

    Still, a state holds no right to secede under federal law. Californians would need to pass an amendment to the US Constitution, which requires the blessings of the other 49 states.

    The measure would also survey voters on whether a "Calexit" is something that interests them. If a clear majority declares their support for a Brexit-style departure, the state would hold a special election in March 2019 asking voters again if they want California to secede.

    In a recent interview with Business Insider, Louis Marinelli, president of Yes California, described the plans as a "double opt-in" process.

    Far-fetched as it may sound, Calexit started gathering steam as Californians came to terms with a Donald Trump presidency on November 9. The campaign became a nationwide social media trend in a matter of hours, but has since fizzled.

    The movement initially found an impressive backer in Shervin Pishevar, a well-known angel investor. He took to Twitter on election night urging California to become its own nation and offering to bankroll a secession campaign. Pishevar has since walked back those claims.

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    (Marcus Ruiz Evans, vice president of Yes California Independence Campaign, talks to passersby about California succeeding from the US outside the state capitol building in Sacramento, California.Rich Pedroncelli/AP)

    Yes California isn't giving up hope. It knows first-hand the challenges that lie ahead.

    In 2015, Marinelli paid $200 each to get nine initiatives related to secession on a statewide ballot, according to The Los Angeles Times. None garnered the nearly 400,000 signatures necessary to appear on the ballot. So Marinelli and his followers were forced to start over.

    The difference this time is that Trump is headed to the White House, Marinelli said.

    "I think that we've seen — in my lifetime — a gradual, but steady deterioration of the system and the health of the republic, basically. I think that at one point or another, it's going to crumble," Marinelli said. "I think a lot of Californians just came to that realization."

    Marinelli warns that if the American public could vote a controversial nominee such as Trump into office, the presidential candidates who follow will push the envelope again.

    "Who are they going to elect next time? I think the people in California would certainly not like to find out, personally," Marinelli said. "So, let's get out of that system so we can elect fair-minded, rational politicians to office."

    In the unlikely event Californians vote to approve the ballot measure put forth by Yes California, the state would repeal one important sentence from the California Constitution. It reads, "The State of California is an inseparable part of the United States of America, and the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land."

    For the special election in 2019 to be valid, at least 50% of the state's registered voters must participate and more than 55% must vote "yes," according to the measure's text.

    Even so, it would be incredibly difficult for California to pull off a Calexit.

    NOW WATCH: People in California are calling for a 'Calexit' after Trump’s victory
     
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    Without those commies fighting their butts off against the Nazis, everybody on this forum would be wearing swastikas on their clothing and the state of Israel would not exist.
     
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    Hispanics are now the majority there. This should make the state's exit more acceptable to the forum right wingers.
     
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    I agree partially, Mr. Truth. But the "commies" you describe were patriotic Russians, who were fighting a murderous Nazi invasion of their Motherland. They fought the Nazis tooth-and-nail, often without weapons and ammunition, especially in desperate, savage engagements that lasted for months, as we saw at Stalingrad.

    But, 15 years earlier, in Germany, the German Communists were as big a bunch of violent criminals as the budding National Socialists were. Indeed, German Communists helped the Nazis gain popularity because of their dictatorial, strong-arm bullying of the entire population during and right after World War I. An oyster isn't the same thing as an octopus just because both of them live in the ocean....
     
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    Hispanics are the majority in Texas also. What's the difference? I guess Texas Latinos are more right wing.
     
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    They will shut up as soon as they realize by seceding they will cut off the federal govt tax payer gravy train they mooch off of, forcing them to actually work for a living. Remember, "progressives" exist only as long as they have other peoples money to spend.
     
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    that is incorrect:



    ''As of the 2010 US Census, the racial distribution in Texas was as follows: 70.4% of the population of Texas was White American; 11.8% African American; 3.8%, Asian American; 0.7%, American Indian; 0.1%, native Hawaiian or Pacific islander only; 10.5% of the population were of some other race only; and 2.7% were of two or more races. Hispanics (of any race) were 37.6% of the population of the state, while Non-Hispanic Whites composed 45.3%.''



    source: wiki



    Eventually, a true Hispanic majority will take over and bring the state to its senses. But that is still a while off, sad to say.

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    As we previously discussed here, Texas's debt was relieved by the Obama stimulus bail out. Aside from Alaska, no state in the Union is more welfare dependent than is Texas.
     

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