Can someone point me to a Free Market Healthcare System that works?

You mean like successful heart transplant surgery that was pioneered in South Africa and germ theory in France and antiseptic surgery and vaccines in the UK?

 

http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/search/map
https://www.quora.com/What-countrie...-research-and-innovation-in-the-past-20-years

 

The above means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

 

Just to clarify, you are taking the stance that the majority of medical innovations do not happen the US?

 

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It means EVERYTHING. Of course the US doesn't invent every single thing, but we certainly invent and innovate the most and by a significant margin. To discount that, by claiming this one thing here was invented elsewhere is like saying the $10/hr my daughter brings in when she babysits actually contributes to the household income, when I'm bringin in 6 figures. Its nice and all, but c'mon...lets get real=)

Pick a category. Tech, medicine, military. We contribute the most. We also have the most and BEST Universities, with people around the world flocking to attend. This isn't all by accident.

 

Moving the goalposts again?

 

Medical innovations have been occurring all around the world throughout recorded history and since the USA didn't really get into medical science until after WW1 it has a lot of catching up to do.

It was the Chinese who figured out the relationship between diet and deficiency diseases 2400 years ago and came up with a treatment for diabetes 2200 years ago. The ancient greeks founded modern medicine with Hippocrates and it was the Romans who came up with modern surgery and anesthesia.

 

Here's a bit of fuel for the fires. This first link is a list of medical practitioners that operate on a cash basis.

https://aaps.wufoo.com/reports/m5p6z0/

This second link is for the Surgery Center of Oklahoma. If you do a little research you'll find the prices listed here are miniscule compared to the cost of the same procedures at most insurance taking hospitals.

https://surgerycenterok.com/?procedure_category=cardiovascular#jump

And one more for the folks in Wichita Kansas. According to one of the doctors in this practice the listed fees include unlimited office visits, MRIs, X-Rays and any other tests done within the facility.

http://atlas.md/wichita/our-fees/

These look like substantially free-market solutions that are vastly better in terms of cost than the insurance/government solution most of us are currently suffering.

 

No, it means they are regulated to keep costs down

No, it means they are regulated to keep costs down

 

I don't know of any free market systems. I'm hoping we adopt a truly free market system and see the results we get.

I guarantee it would be better than what we have now.

 

Take a look at the links on post #583.

 

Good stuff. Honestly we need to get rid of state lines and not everyone needs insurance, maybe catastrophic but that is it. Why should i need insurance to see an eye doctor once a year. Makes no sense. Insurance is for
unforeseen events.

 

Nope. I insinuated that most innovation happened in the US which allowed costs in other health markets to be cheaper due to the maturity of the improvements by the time it is imported from the US. The particular procedure in question didn't originate in the US (I'm taking your word), and I said it was in the minority. Then, just to clarify, I asked if you disagreed with the concept that the majority of medical innovation occurred in the US. To me, I have been discussing the same central point.

 

Nope!

The actual term you used was "medical innovations on the planet"!

The USA is not the entire planet!

FTR the USA has not been around for the entire recorded history of mankind either.

The USA is a very late entrant into the race and as such does not actually have exclusive rights to a lot of what it claims to have done.

 

SEC. 104. Prohibition against duplicating coverage.
(a) In general.—It is unlawful for a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act.

That effectively eliminates for-profit hospitals.

 

BZZZZT Wrong!

That is NOT what is actually says!

It is a prohibition against INSURERS not SERVICE PROVIDERS!

 

I'm a little surprised these links didn't result in some commentary but in any case, anyone looking for an alternative to traditional insurance/healthcare might find them useful... so, bump.

 

If everybody in America wants to give me, $200.00/month for insurance. I will be glad to make sure you are well taken care of!!!!

People have "needs" and "wants", the problem is their "wants" supersedes their "needs". So when their needs comes in to play, they can no longer afford it. But hey, they got their "wants". T.V. I-phone, desktop, laptop, fancy car, fancy clothes, dinning out, you know everything they don't "need".

 

I can't afford my surgery so I can live on, but I do have a 45,000 dollar vehicle, and a mortgage, because I have to appear to be something I am not.

 

Without private health insurance, how do for-profit hospitals survive? They don't. So government gains de facto control of all hospitals.

 

There is NO such think as Free market Healthcare... Do you think grandpa shops around for a pacemaker or waits for them to go on sale.

 

That's nonsense. Medicare is a single payer-private delivery system and if it covered everyone including veterans there would be plenty of money.

 

why should they give them up when some whore in washington promises them they can have both ?

 

You may be right... It did exist in America prior to 08 however. I was 18 in '72 and when I left home I always had health insurance (not on my parents dime either). Had a shoulder surgery, wife had three C-sections, one son had transposition of the major arteries requiring 3 open heart surgeries around $500,000 each. Plus additional more average medical occurrences. Government never paid ONE THIN DIME. I was really impressed by the treatment we received in every instance. Socialism as well as oppression is gaining a foothold throughout the world. When the elite control your health, they have you where they want you.

 

Are you unaware about how much healthcare costs went up from 1972 thru 2008?