Capitalism is killing our morals, our future

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  1. portos

    portos New Member

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    Did you mean this clip? It's awesome..:
    [video=youtube_share;26QxO49Ycx0]http://youtu.be/26QxO49Ycx0[/video]
     
  2. portos

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    This is a HOME RUN against the left... Cheers mate...
     
  3. Libhater

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    Yeah, let me welcome you here with tremendous kudos for telling these few socialists that greed isn't what fuels the economic engine. Your common sense and knowledge of American capitalism is quickly making you a forum star.
     
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    But nobody is enslaved to capitalism. EVERYONE that doesn't like working for a living has the freedom to stop working.

    EVERYONE is enslaved to socialism, given that everyone too lazy to work is fed and housed and cared for by money stolen from people who work.
     
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    Sure it does.

    Socialists define "greed" as "wanting to keep what you rightfully earned and not wanting to give it to socialists".

    By that definition, "greed" drives the economy.
     
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    Socialism may enable Man to become a better Angel on Earth who has no need for the Expense of government.
     
  7. Libhater

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    Say what? That sure were a head scratcher.
     
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    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    I take care of myself just fine, without the government and without the corporate crapitalist raiders. Thank you very much.
     
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    ROFL!!! You're a "business man and greed is the least of your motivations"? Gimme a break dude. If that's true, you probably aren't a very good "business" man at all. Corporations rule the day, and the fat cats along with them, and I assure you, that GREED is VERY MUCH the primary motivation. It is probably the only thing that's completely predictable in each and every large conglomerate/fat cat agenda. Good one though!
     
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    Use anti-bacterial and de-lousing shampoo, then.

    Socialism is all about the greed of socialists.
     
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    ayn rand spelled it all out 50 years ago

    capitalism is why usa has richest standard of living anywhere and why illegals are running over the border

    production

    capitalism in the usa has done the best job of getting government out of the way of production

    unregulated capitalism is best for poor and the rest

    government makes prices higher and causes problems like 2008 and 1922 and all booms and busts

    we need smarter people that obama schumer feinstein reid in government

    kick out all democrats and big spending republicans

    look at obama failure 9T added to debt in 4 years and 33% inflation and 22% unemplyment

    disaster

    yes democrat media screams its al bush fault

    in 2008 deficit 8T, yet democrat media claim all bailouts obama did are on bush

    2008 was caused by federal reserve adn fanny and government including clinton sayign you must make loans

    remember clinton was a moron and laf woulda bene better president

    90s were tek boom set off by ron reagan lower taxes and research the ensued in 80s

    yes

    correct

    disaster communism and aprasie communism we see now with crony communists getting payouts from obama and IRS atttacking small governmetn oposition and demcroat media playing up bums liekoccupy ignoring masive tea party protets and 2010 being biggest ocngressional booting since 30s

    dont believe the democrat scam

    with factories and unregualted business we will all be richer

    if you are rational you would see europe failing with its deficit spending ways as well

    why copy the failures of europe? they are morons who ran their economies into the ground as well as thier standards of living

    with capitalims everyone would be forced to produce and get in the game not be leeches, this if nothing else would improve prices adn commodification

    remember lower rpices means you got a pay raise

    inflation fed and obama create lower your pay

    combine less taxes and biggre paycheck with lower rpices and u get rich this is real economics, and remmeber all keyens is simply governmetn school idiocy ignoring economics and science showing lwoer governmetn spending always means lower prices and richer middle class and poor
     
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    Actually the Mexicans are running back behind their own borders. That's how bad it is. (it's true...look it up).
     
  13. portos

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    It's true that we are in a decline, but that is because of all the government interventions went wrong.. and Mexicans are not running back yet... We need more socialism to reach that.. Wrong.. wait a minute they just have to stop working and get on a dole, why would they go back....
     
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    by what? by making generation dependent on the State? teaching people that is ok if you are unproductive or you don't have a job?
    teaching no respect for others property? setting up citizens for jealousy and constant war over political power? do u really think that's going to create some Angels? just look at Europe they are bankrupt and they are not able to get rid of the welfare state because if they do there is enough people who is sucking on the system will revolt to violence...
     
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    The anti discrimination laws only address blatant invidious discrimination were evidence exists that establishes beyond a reasonable doubt that invidious discrimination occurred. It is estimated that over 99% of all cases of invidious discrimination against the person cannot be established in court and very few cases even exist where it can be prosecuted in a court.

    By way of example:
    If I'm the employer at a machine shop and need a new machinist and two qualified people apply, one white and one black, I can choose the white person every time if I want based upon racial prejudice. As long as I don't write down that my decision was based upon race I can't be taken to court for discrimination because no evidence exists. I can even tell the black person privately that I wouldn't hire them because of their race and couldn't be taken to court because there isn't a witnesss that could confirm I made that statement.

    It can also be accepted that if a person knows that they're going to be subjected to invidious discrimination where they won't be hired, or if hired they will be paid less than others, that it destroys motivation for the individual. Why try hard if it doesn't result in employment or if wage discrimination exists?

    There are very few "inept" people in the United States and they are statistically insignificant. Virtually all Americans want to work and do a good job at work. From experience I've found the least productive workers were those being asked to perform tasks that the enterprise didn't properly train them to do. When properly trained and motivated by management I've not found any lazy workers in over 40 years in manufacturing.

    The expansion of the money supply, that creates inflation, is controlled by the Federal Reserve and not the government. The primary interest of the Federal Reserve is the US banking institutions and not the People of the United States. Inflation really has nothing to do with government spending or deficits or the national debt except that the debt of the goverment is "reduced" by the devaluation of the "money" caused by inflation. It is the theft of labor stored in :"fiat currency" that pays down the national debt through inflation.
     
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    The truth is there is no way you can achieve equality through the Government. The Civil Liberty laws help in some cases but really also punishing the minorities because now the law making them a legal liability. So the business just finds a loophole if he scared to being sude by his own employee and it sets up the "US vs THEM" environment what is not really healthy. The best way to fight back against the racist bigots is by not buying their products and socially ostridgis them. Protest and activism helps to bring light on this social issue. Public opinion and education is more powerful then any law where people voluntarily act civilized. These social problems takes time to solve. Laws just fuel to racism...

    I agree ont he work ethic in the US, because Socialism is not as strong here as it is in Europe, the work ethic in the US is a lot higher. I always say when I travel to the old country, the people of America protest when they don't have a job. The people of Europe protest when their welfare check gets taken away. The ineptness is not necessarily a persons fault. There are families being on a dole for generations and their kids don't know better. But you are not going to help them by giving them more welfare. The only way to get them back to a normal life is to push them out of welfare as harsh as it sounds. The welfare check and the minimum wage is keeping them trapped in they ineptness. No one wants to hire someone who never worked in his life paying him 7.50/hour if he is not capable to produce a value of that wage. The minimum wage is useless it creates more unemployed.
     
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    I'm also a small business owner, investor, and also work for others. I haven't pulled any money from my investments (they're for retirement) and therefore paid no taxes on the income from those investments to date because I've realized no income from those investments yet. When I retire I wouldn't have any problem being taxed the same on that income that I'm paying now on my other income. A dollar is a dollar.

    I pay taxes on my company's income and obviously pay taxes on my wages every year. I can only note that in 2011, where I know Mitt Romney's income and taxes paid, that Mitt Romney had almost 200 times my combined gross income from wages and my business and Romney paid less than 1/2 the tax rates I paid. Of note I only use Romney because his tax returns were published, and not because he's a Republican, but Romney is typical of most large investors from what I understand.

    How is it "fair" for someone with 200 times more income to pay 1/2 the tax rates of another person? It's not like Romney couldn't afford to pay the same tax rates I'm paying on my income.

    And this isn't an attack on "high income" individuals because a CEO of a large corporation might receive $5 million per year and they pay "earned" income taxes that are virtually double the taxes paid by an investor with $5 million in "unearned" income. That CEO with a $5 million income is also being "unfairly" taxed under our tax codes.
     
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    I am not a Romney fan.. he is just as Statist as Obama is, backed by the same lobby group... But I can only congratulate him for getting away with less taxes. Taxes in the hands of Government are useless no matter where is it comes from.. not just useless but can be extremely harmful and deadly. Money in the private sector serve the people more then in the public sector.. Why would I give more money to government just to create more IRS, TSA and DHS workers so these thugs can harras and intimidate us in every aspect our lives. Screw that everyones goal should be to give legally as less money to the State as possible so it shrinks back to its original size.
    Do you want to pay for your own tyranny?:
    [video=youtube;gtAai0JBeRU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtAai0JBeRU&feature=share&list=UUq2eXCSiXldB4O0af_ulhIA[/video]
     
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    You don't mention talent as one of the things that are the key to the survival of an institution. Apply all these business virtues to sports and you will see how they will only make a team avoid underachieving. This neglect shows that you support the Nobility With No Ability. The very existence of hereditary power is an insult to ability, as will become obvious if we let athletes pass on their positions to their sons. Besides gang tackling the next generation, Capitalists just hike the ball. You discredit the real key players.

    And this point you pound in, "We're not Socialists!" shows how limited your perspective is. Capitalism is Socialism for the rich, so you should say, "We're not the other kind of authoritarian ruling clique!" People of inferior mental ability can only define themselves by telling us what they are not, which indicates that they don't want us to know what they are.

    Second, government is controlled by the Capitalist ruling class and their Liberal heirs, so it is inefficient on purpose. There is no other structural factor that would cause it to be the way it is. So it is purposely faked by the Left wing of the ruling class vulture in order to trick us into leaving ourselves at the mercy of private powers, which we can't even vote out of their positions.

    Third, Russia had your Capitalopia under Yeltsin and it turned into a Greedhead lootfest by copying your degenerate American form of Capitalism.
     
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    It can be a real drag when even third worlders with a third world work ethic have a hard time finding work.
     
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    You may be resorting to a fallacy of false analogy via a fallacy of composition. I am only claiming that our fiat money is an easy and convenient, medium of exchange. All we are correcting for is a lack of full employment in a given market. Let's assume that any natural rate of unemployment in the market for labor under Capitalism, can be considered a metric of inefficiency under Socialism, with any assumption of full employment as a benchmark Standard in our political economy.

    The Fed has more tools to work with when there is some active inflationary tendency in our economy, since fixing a Standard for interest rates is a function of our central bank.

    Markets can reach more efficient equilibriums with full employment in any given market.
     
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    The Capitaliban are sloppy typists, just like everything else they do. But when you have the greatest control over the distribution of what is created by our natural and human resources, you can afford to be sloppy, just like Andre the Giant didn't have to learn how to wrestle.
     
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    No, I heard that argument before. That was exactly the argument refuted in the video I posted. The idea that you can create prosperity that way is ludicrous really. It would be like saying if only their more counterfeit money the world would be well off. It wouldn't be any different of course. The same productive goods an services exist, only buying power has shifted away from everyone else and to the counterfeiter. In your case the government which is allowed to get away with it but the principle is exactly the same.
     
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    If DanielPalos philosophy would work Zimbabwe would be the richest country by now...
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    Or Weimar Germany, and its starving billionaires.
     
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