'Chemical attack' in Syria kills at least 58 people

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  1. One Mind

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    Yes, so many useful idiots. I have lost most faith in the ability of people to reason, rationally, logically. And this inability, is exploited by those who could not care less about the useful idiots. People no longer think for themselves. They allow others to do that for them, generally because of political tribalism, which requires dumb herd animals in order to even exist in the first place.

    Remember after the first false flag gas attack? So the red line would be crossed which Obama laid down? Which would have greatly escalated our direct military involvement? Is this what assad would have wanted, given we had said he had to go? And remember what was done with his gas arsenal? Remember? If it happened, this is Turkish sourced gas, or homemade low quality stuff. Just like the last time.
     
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    Now let's see:

    Russia is against Iranian influence spreading out of Idlib-Hama line. Iran on the other hand has been pushing for its own "green corridor" through Hama to Homs and there to north Lebanon for aiming to give larger space to Hezbollah -which has already had safe routes for logistics and man power transfer all the way south- for strengthening Iranian armed presence.

    Russia of course sees the danger as letting Hezbollah running freely on that route would mean a "constant" de-facto siege of Russian forces in Tartus and Latakia from behind. This means that in case Russia is to conduct any tactical military maneuvers eastward that would certainly be depending on "permits" from Iran. In other words, Russia's military capability and transfer lines of logistics and man power from the naval bases to other parts of Syria would be highly depending on "how successful could Iran be convinced", which would unsurprisingly bring some "concessions" with it and that would definitely have some serious affects on entire Russian foreign policy. So that kind of "dependability" cannot be accepted for a global power like Russia.

    I think we should reread the situation here.
     
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    Could I counter that with Rumsfeld's approval of supplying chemical warfare agents to Saddam? In the interests of balance, naturally.
     
  4. Primus Epic

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    A false flag designed by Syrian Rebels? Wake up.

    This is yet another ISIS = MOSSAD chemical attack in Syria for the sole purpose of pulling western powers into Syria to do the work that Zionists don't want to do themselves. You cannot understand anything that takes place in the incorrectly called "Middle East" without first understanding the Zionist Cause. If you fail to come to the conclusion that World History puts directly under your nose (if you study it), you will never see Zionism for what it is, what it has become and how it operates in the so-called "Middle East."

    There is a reason why Donald Tramp's son-in-law went to Iraq, when he has absolutely zero qualifications or business for being there representing the United States. He is a Zionist - pure and simple. He DOES NOT represent the interest of the United States of America, nor any of its People. He and many others like him, have managed to back door their way into positions that enable them to use others (Tramp's Daughter) to accomplish the mission of Zionist Expansion.

    The Zionist Expansion "Program" is the BIGGEST and most viral anti-Human genocidal conspiracy on earth. Until the entire World wakes the hell up and recognizes what's been taking place on this planet for more than 2,435 years - the entire planet will continue to suffer under the weight of the bullshit that Zionism by definition places upon the earth.

    Wake up, World. Study your own gad damn history. Stop allowing yourselves to be so dumbed down and so blinded by lies and deceit. Every single one of Donald Tramp's Son's and Daughters with the exception of Barron, is either married to a Zionist or engaged to be married to a Zionist or dating a Zionist. What are the odds of that being just mere coincidence? Wake up!

    Barron, is to young to be married, but rest assured Zionist will be gunning for him as well. They have this entire "American Family" wrapped around their middle finger as they point it directly in the face of the United States of America. And, when they are done usurping and stealing power and land throughout the so-called "Middle East," a place that has absolutely ZERO historical evidence of their source and origin on this planet by the way, they will pull down their pants and take a big dumb on the United States and ALL its People, eventually.
     
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    A West that is no longer in control of its own government, by the way. A government (and many components of society) being manipulated behind the scenes by Zionists including the Zionist recently sent to Iraq by the President of the United States having with no formal diplomatic underpinning to his name. Nothing on the surface is what it seems to be. Absolutely, nothing.

    The controlling factory in the misnamed "Middle East" is Zionist Expansion. However, there is tons of misdirection and conflagration of historical facts that continually fogs and shrouds the real source of the problem in that part of the world.
     
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    Putin, is not behind this for a billion different reasons. He also has no desire to stop it either. This was a MOSSAD operation. It wreaks of MOSSAD. Why? Israel, wants Syria gone. Israel, wants ultimate territorial (political) control all the way south to the Yemen coast, up to the Oman coast and every square inch of land in between.

    When it finally comes down to brass hitting the floor and they start their assault on the entire Emirate region trailing south east, you can rest assured that they will do it by pulling an increasing number of terrorist attacks inside the United States and throughout Europe - and they will blame it all on the fictional organization known publicly as ISIS. However, you will know that ISIS = MOSSAD.

    The Zionist want all of this:
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    And, they are not going to stop pitting the world against itself until they achieve it.
     
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    Did you know that Neoconservatism was inspired by that which ultimately lead to Zionisim? Neoconservatism is nothing more than the rebirth of what Trotsky, put forth before the Bolshevik Revolution. It is a form of Socialism reborn under a new name. How do we know that for certain? It was Kristol, himself who said that he was a card carrying proud member of the young people's socialist league. This was the act of Zionists who operate as MOSSAD privately and ISIS publicly.

    Zionist, used Neoconservatism here in the United States to instantiate the next phase of their Expansion program with invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq, on the back of a terrorist attack in New York on September 11th, 2001, where they had several of their agents on U.S. soil, dancing proudly during the attacks and were there "to document the event" itself. An event that was not supposed to be known by anyone before it happened.



    How can your "purpose" be to "document the event" when nobody on earth was supposed to know about an "event?"

    You've got the players all backwards, here.
     
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  8. litwin

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    why in this case Israel targets almost excessively sunni -arab community?
     
  9. litwin

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    update
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    Syria 'chemical attack' down to Assad, US says

    The White House says it is "confident" Bashar al-Assad's government was behind an apparent chemical attack that killed at least 58 people in north-west Syria.

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that strikes on Khan Sheikhoun by Syrian government or Russian jets had caused many people to choke.
    "http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39493854
     
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    does it look like WW3 to you? poor "Syrian" people , this war will last many years
     
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    Didn't Russia clean out all the chemical weapons from Syria two years ago?

    This has all the hallmarks of another false flag attack by the terrorists since the Syrian army was advancing. ... which of course doesn't please Washington and its coalition. The last time when the Syrian army stopped the terrorists from entering Damascus, they had their other false flag chemical attack with the hope that Washington would bomb the city and they would be able to proceed with their genocide of Christians and Alawites in Damascus.

    That Assad would conduct a chemical attack when they were winning, and when the UN was nearby examining the former chemical attacks to see who the guilty party is, was as absurd as the militia in Donbas shooting down an airliner when they had given an ultimatum to the Ukrainian army and were waiting for a response.

    Anyway the Pope and other Christian leaders asked Putin for help in stopping the attack on Damascus, so Russia examined the gas and found that it wasn't in Assad's arsenal. When they sent the results to London, they realized that with all the domestic opposition they would be in big trouble and told Obama not to bomb. Obama freaked of course since it was hindering his killing plans, and from what I read it took quite a bit of convincing from his advisers to stop him.

    Anyway it turned out the chemical weapons were from Turkey.

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    Spicer: Syrian chemical attack a 'consequence' of Obama 'weakness'

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politics/syria-chemical-attack-donald-trump-obama/

    (CNN)White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters Tuesday that a gas attack in a rebel-controlled area of Syria was perpetrated by the forces tied to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and are a "consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution."

    Multiple activist groups in Syria tell CNN that dozens of people, including children, were killed in one of the deadliest gas attacks in years. The activists have also blamed the attack in the rebel-held city of Khan Sheikhoun on Assad.

    "Today's chemical attack in Syria against innocent people including women and children is reprehensible and cannot be ignored by the civilized world," Spicer said. "These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution."

    Spicer added: "President (Barack) Obama said in 2012 he would establish a red line against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing. The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable act."

    Regime change?
    Despite the attack, the Trump administration has said that it is up to the people of Syria to pick a leader and that their priority is not getting Assad out of office. :no:

    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on a trip to Turkey that the "longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people." :no:

    And in New York, US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley was even stronger about the Trump administration's decision not to push for Assad's departure.
    "Our priority is no longer to sit and focus on getting Assad out," Haley told wire reporters last week, according to AFP.

    "Do we think he's a hindrance? Yes," she said. "Are we going to sit there and focus on getting him out? No." :no:

    McCain blames Obama -- and Trump
    Republican Sen. John McCain told CNN's Alisyn Camerota there was more than enough blame to go around for Obama and Trump.

    The Arizona Republican compared Trump's lack of action to that of the Obama administration, saying neither president took the situation seriously enough.

    "We've seen this movie before, when Barack Obama said they would have a red line and they crossed it and he did nothing," he said on "New Day."

    But McCain also had scathing criticism for Trump, saying: "Bashar Assad and his friends, the Russians, take note of what Americans say. I'm sure they took note of what our secretary of state said just the other day that the Syrian people would be determining their own future themselves -- one of the more incredible statements I've ever heard."

    "I'm sure they are encouraged to know the United States is withdrawing and seeking a new arrangement with the Russians," he added. "It is another disgraceful chapter in American history and it was predictable."

    McCain -- a vocal critic of Trump's foreign policy -- said the commander in chief needs to speak out against Assad and promise that his allies will pay a price for their actions against the Syrian people. :applause:

    "I want to hear him say we're going to arm the free Syrian army," he said. "We're going to dedicate ourselves to the removal of Bashar al-Assad. We're going to have the Russians pay a price for their engagement. All players here are going to have to pay a penalty and the United States of America is going to be on the side of people who fight for freedom." :salute:

    But McCain said he sees no clear foreign policy doctrine coming from the current administration.

    "I don't see any doctrine right now. I do have great confidence in the security team around the President," he said. "I hope they will develop a strategy, stand up and give the President the advice and counsel I believe he needs and could get from that team."

    This story has been updated to reflect the latest reporting.
     
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    Is that from Pravda or some other fake news site?
     
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    It's possible. The only angle I can think of for Assad is terrorism. It sends the message to the rebel-held area that they better either get out of his country or get on their knees. But it definitely doesn't seem worth the gamble of increasing calls for international intervention to punish Assad.
     
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    Trump is just showing his idiocy there, or making a full flip-flop. Obama saying there was a red line and then not enforcing it does indeed show either weakness or a failure to carefully choose words (something Trump should understand), but Assad did not use chemical weapons on the rebel civilians BECAUSE of anything Obama did. The only way for their criticism to make any sense is if they think we should have intervened and taken Assad out before. In 2013 Trump urged Obama not to take out Assad. If Trump still does not believe we need to take out Assad, then him saying Obama "caused" the chemical attack in any sense is simply idiotic.
     
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    And Trump blames Obama for this chemical attack? What a lowlife. Trump, that is. A lowlife. Did I say lowlife? Yes.....
     
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    That is a clue this is not Syria using these weapons. After all their declared stockpile which was not primitive in nature, was announced by Obama to be destroyed in 2014. That these are primitive screams home made chemical weapons... think people!!!

    This would be just as stupid of assad as using them which make him cross the red line. Here is what global research said about those attacks..

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    A barrage of suspiciously worded headlines attempt to link in the mind of unobservant readers the UN’s “confirmation” of chemical weapons use in Syria and Western claims that it was the Syrian government who used them. Additionally, the US, British, and French governments have quickly assembled a list of fabrications designed to spin the UN report to bolster their still-unsubstantiated accusations against the Syrian government.

    The BBC’s article, “US and UK insist UN chemicals report ‘blames Syria’,” again states unequivocally, [emphasis added]:

    The UN report did not attribute blame for the attack, as that was not part of its remit.'


    Here is another blurb on one of the attacks...


    "Back in January, emails leaked from a British defense company, Britam, revealed a plan already in place and approved by the White House to give chemical weapons to the hired mercenaries, to use on civilians, in order to frame Assad and thus justify a direct US intervention, as the covert attempt at an overthrow was, after nearly three years, starting to lose badly. So we know this plan was in process months ago.

    Here is the final point. Assad had been requesting, for months, for a special United Nations Chemical Weapons investigation team to come to Syria to check out earlier allegations that his government had used chemical weapons. The United Nations finally agreed. So why would Assad be so stupid as to carry out a chemical weapons attack on women and children the very day the UN chemical weapons inspectors arrive, just miles from where they are staying? and the answer is, Assad would not be that stupid. This chemical attack was carried out by the hired mercenaries to frame on Assad, and women and children were targeted to maximize the shock value for propaganda purposes.

    The US government has decided to conquer Syria. and this lie about chemical weapons is just a repeat of the lies told about Saddam's nuclear weapons, to cover over naked aggression with a thin veneer of "Hey, we are going in to help those people." But again, by launching a war into Syria, the US will murder far more Syrians (and young Americans) than this chemical weapon was reported to have done."
     
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    I would suspect CIA mercenaries myself. And yes it could have been a covert operation planned before Obama left office. Or it could have been thrown together after S of S, said the intent of the US was not to remove assad. So, we frame him for a chemical weapons attack to increase pressure on trump to change his mind about assad. Makes a helluva lot sense than assad doing it so soon after the new position of the US. If this meme follows the one in 2013 what should happen next is for the Washington Post to come out indicting assange , for this is a main outlet for CIA disinformation. So watch for it!!
     
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    This is horrific, is Russia still 100% behind Assad? Because as far as I'm concerned he's guilty of war crimes and there's no way back from here. Iran and Russia must replace their puppet.
     
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    this is very suspicious
    only days after the us changed his stance on assad must go this attack happends, i'm pretty sure Assad is not stuppid.
    why would assad do something now and not before ? they got nothing to gain from this and is most likely a false flag like previous attempts.
     
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    So ... taking the BS Propaganda content in your post aside, what is left: You claim that it is a fake news and back this with other news rated as fakes too. Nice ...

    You know that Russia in meantime does not deny the gas attack itself anymore, but argues officially that maybe a secret poison gas plant of rebels was by mistake bombed and so the poison gas went out and killed?
     
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    True ... but will you stop to back Saudi Arabia and their criminal war with same actions (poison gas aside) in Yemen too?
    Who shouts "A" has to accept "B" too!
    Or do you really believe that Saudi actions in Yemen are clean things and they do all good?
     
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    Fake news is no news! No proof is fake news!
     
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    Ukraine and Syria are hot spots. Countries "invested" in those fronts. So, WW3 sparking out of either one is unlikely.

    Just look to the far east. China's mediating role in between N Korea and the West will be the main determinant for WW3
     
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    Wrong! Thanks to this circus clown in White House we learned that there is truth and alternative truth! Question is only what of both this attack is at least and tendency is clear that there something happened really! Even the Russians stopped to deny and tell it is fake! So wake up!
     

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