'Chemical attack' in Syria kills at least 58 people

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  1. Mandelus

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    Say you ... and the other side denies as usual. As I wrote... maybe the chlorine gas tank of the public swimming pool of this village which does not have such a public swimming pool was hit at least.

    Fact is that there went off poison gas of whatever type and killed / injured many people including little kids! Who were and with what is disputed as usual and the truth will not be found out, because even evidences of any side will be disputed and rated as fake!

    The US has the big chance to eliminate this bastard Assad regime and failed totally due to total incompetence and total unwillingness to go again to a larger scale war in ME after the disaster of Iraq again. So no understanding from my side for someone who put arrogance silence of his own backing of bastard regimes!
     
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    well around him a lot of people who worked for Muscovite kleptocracy or its poppets (like yanukovich) , Kiselev uses both of these terms "fake .... "alternative"" for years ...
     
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    They have known it was Chlorine gas bombs for 5 years..

    Taking out Assad won't help. Its not like the Syrians can vote for the kind of government or leaders that they want. Half a million are dead.. 5 million have fled the country.

    They got NOTHING.
     
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    whats funny is here, its a race importance in 2017, lets say somewhere in Africa 10% people (white , yellow , Indianians , Jews, etc) rule in the same why with Assad over 70% of population? what ´d you and UN, and NATO and even Putin say ?
     
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    But Obama said they have no more Chemical weapons.
    He made sure of it !
    I nominate him for getting a Nobel piece of lie prize !

    Obama will be remembered in history as the 2000 version of Neville Chamberlain
     
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    1) is Obama still the president of USA? 2) this time Muscovite did it. we will see what Trump is gonna do
     
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    1. No
    2. He is going to tweet about it !
     
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    God this is so depressing!
     
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    sound like my humor , Litvak? ))
     
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    Obviously you really do not know it ... then I will tell you:


    The psychology of the Saudis, which is concerned with the war in Yemen, is certainly hard to understand. The basic motive is always: preservation of one's own power, and supremely pure: the development of one's own power, as the Saudi self-understanding, supremacy of the Arab world, and at the same time as at least “the spiritual pre-eminence of the whole Islamic world”!

    It is not just a matter of securing domination abroad, but also of domination in one's own country. What happens in the neighboring countries, the Saudis note very closely and turn off possible threats rigorously. This was the case, for example, in the first Gulf War 1990/1991, when the secular Baath regime in Iraq militarily aggressively attacked the conservative Gulf Monarchy of Kuwait. Both countries are direct neighbors of Saudi Arabia, which had to feel directly challenged here, and accordingly offered support to the US, which was approaching Iraq. Or in the Shi'ite unrest in Bahrain in 2011. The Shiites form the majority there, the Sunni Bahraini monarchy was on the defensive. Saudi Arabia immediately intervened militarily to suppress the insurrection, and the fear that the Shiites in Saudi Arabia (10 to 15% of the population) could be stuck in it. And this is especially true given the fact that the Shiite areas in Saudi Arabia are located in the east on the Gulf, in close proximity to Bahrain.

    With the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), Saudi Arabia has created a body which, thanks to its overweight, can dominate the other smaller Gulf States.
    And to the neighboring countries, where Saudi Arabia sees its own (power) interests touched, belongs also the Yemen. Saudi Arabia has always viewed Yemen as its backyard, similar to the United States towards Mexico and other countries in Latin America, and has always interfered there as the USA there. This has been the case for many decades.

    The power of the Saudis had not extended long to the west and reached the direct neighborhood to Yemen. In 1934 the war between both broke out. This war was victorious for Saudi Arabia, Yemen had to be glad to get a very glorious peace treaty with a friendship treaty. But in reality, from then on, Yemen has more or less entered into a dependency relationship with Saudi Arabia.
    And the claim to this dependency have obviously been internalized by the Saudis ever since. They intervened in the Yemeni civil war between 1962 and 1969, by placing themselves on the side of the imam (king) of Yemen, which until then had reigned as a medieval potentate. At that time it was obviously not important that the Imam and his system of domination did not represent the radical-wahabic interpretation of Islam. The Imam was not even Sunnis, but the head of the Sha'a-specific Zaidite special form of Islam. All this was less serious than the insurgents, though Sunni-dominated, were against the Imam Republican, who were also supported by the Republican, Pan-Arab (and against the Arab monarchies) and Socialist Egypt under their President Nasser. In the 1960s, the religious differences obviously played a lesser role. At that time, the reactionary Islamic monarchy of the other reactionary Islamic monarchy came to the aid of one of the two republican-laicist uprisings perceived as a threat.

    It would be really worthwhile for you to deal more intensively with the Saudi influence and the Saudi interventions in Yemen. The Saudis were not always successful. The Imam was then defeated by his opponents, and Yemen became a republic. To be sure, the following republic was essentially dependent on Saudi Arabia.
    In 1990 many Yemenis worked as guest workers in Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States; Saudi Arabia paid a large part of the Yemeni national budget. When the first Gulf War of Yemen was more inclined to Iraq, and the population loudly sympathized with Saddam Hussein, Saudi Arabia stopped payments to Yemen and threw the Yemeni foreign workers out of the country. Thus Yemen was plunged into a severe economic crisis.

    With the ever autocratic and kleptocratic behavior of the long-standing President Ali Abdullah Saleh, neither the West nor Saudi Arabia had problems in the later 1990s and in the nuller years of the 21st century. Saleh allowed the Americans to fight Al-Al-Qaeda, which had settled in southern Yemen-also from Yemeni soil, Saleh had given them the base Al-Anad north of Aden. So democracy for Yemen? Are you kidding, they don’t need to have was Washington’s behavior and Saudis were happy about!
    When, in 2011, the "Arab Spring" also spread to Yemen and the population increasingly demanded the end of Saleh's rule, the US and the Saudis-dominated Gulf cooperation council interfered. They organized the departure of President Saleh and the transfer of power to a candidate who was ready for them. Settled Saleh's long-standing vice president Abed Rabbo Mansur Hadi was installed as new president, with 99.8% of the votes (!!!) confirmed as the only candidate in a "democratic" so-called "election". Even as a result of the installation, Hadi was even more dependent on the US and the Saudis than his predecessor.

    It is also clear from their point of view that the Saudis would do anything to hold or reinstate him as a "legitimate" alleged "president" (his already extended term as president ran out in February 2015 … so why still in power?).
    With Hadi's main adversaries in the conflict, Huthis, the Saudis combines an old enmity that goes back to the beginnings of this movement, particularly because they are not Sunni!
    The Saudis are now about to secure or regain their influence on Yemen. For this, "President" Hadi, at the latest by his exile in Riyadh, has to become a pure Marionette of the Saudis, and the Huthis have to disappear to secure the influence and control of Saudi Arabia - point! Of course, the rivalry between the Saudis and Iran plays a major role in the Yemen war too.
     
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    Your post is a bit long..

    In the 1960s KSA fought on the side of the monarchy in Yemen. Egypt fought on the side of the Communists.

    The problem in the 1930s began when an American plane went down in Yemen. They survived the plane crash, but all aboard were slaughter by Yemeni tribes.

    Yes, AQ did settled in southern Yemen where the blew up oil facilities and pipeline.

    Iran supplies the al Houthis with weapons.. and the Houthis attack across the Saudi border.

    Iran has always wanted a foothold on the Arabian peninsula. They want control of Bahrain and control over all access to the Indian Ocean from the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf.

    You don't understand Bahrain very well. The Shia make up the merchant class and they have done quite well. Sunnis dominate the financial sector.. and that too is thriving. There is a minority of Shia underclass who remain uneducated, shiftless and unhappy. Iran has incited them off and on since the 1950s.

    Shia v Sunni is not as dramatic as you and some in the West portray it. They are quite successful in the Eastern province.. again as merchants and in the oil sector. They are NOT loyal to Iran.
     
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    It is 1917 all over again.
    If the US does not get it's act together, we're going to have 1939 all over again in 20 years.
     
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    Do you think it is mare coincidence the chemical attack on a hospital came one day after the bomb in Saint Petersburg ?
     
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    no cos no, Muscovy tried to pay back to al nusra (1 of the official Muscovite versions that al nusra attacked SP) , but terrible field as usual . actually it all has to do more with Navaly and youth protests in Muscovy then with Islam, Sunni-Shiia, IS, Syria, etc.
     
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    you are 110 % right
     
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    I have still shortened it … normally it would be double of it!

    They intervene as counterpart to Nasser’s Egypt on the side of the Iman = royal person…
    But they intervene and for sure not out of humanity, eh?

    Maybe, but what the hack has KSA to do with this issue of the US then?

    And this is then the reason to back a dictator and give a crap on everything inside Yemen as far as this dictator is the willing puppet and doing what KSA wants!

    Because they have very good reasons to do so…

    Since the by the US brought in power and backed Shah was thrown off from power yes … but so what?
    If A does bad, then B does too because A does and so forth?

    I understand it very well … fact is that there was Arabic Spring in this country too and this was in majority of Shiite and woops, KSA does its best to hold the Royal Bahrain elite in power against majority of population and their will – point!

    It as dramatic as I and others tell, but it is in parts also not. Point is that this dispute between both confessions is since 1,000 years existing and it is the named reason for many disputes and conflicts and problems. Look simply on ISIS which is only Sunni and which slaughter Shiite (and others) as scum! In counter we have Hezbollah which is pure Shiite only and backing Assad regime and deep enemy of ISIS of course!
    Look on Iraq where the criminal and illegal US attack in 2003 opened the “Can of Pandora” when Sunni minority and other small minorities like Christians sit in the power positions of Iraq (remember: Iraqi Foreign Minister under Saddam was a Christian) and depressed the Shiite majority. Woops, Saddam thrown out of power and then followed total incompetence of the USA to understand the Conflict potential and anything of this country (still remembering that one of the Colonel told in TV that he didn’t know before that there are differences like Sunni and Shiite existing!)!
    And even in Yemen too ... look on reasons why the Shiite Houthis made suddenly trouble since 2004 and look on their named reasons too with open mind.
     
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    The Arab Spring in Bahrain was a joke.. a media driven event. On the big day of protests 300 Americans crossed the causeway to play a golf tournament.
     
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    Maybe if the US and GB stopped selling arms to the Saudis it might help. But no, we can't go upsetting a Stone Age monarchy which supplies us with oil. I mean, why compromise our holy principles?
     
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    KSA has stopped a number of suicide missions from Yemen against the US and UK in the past 15 years.
     
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    "
    In February, Human Rights Watch and Solvang authored a report documenting at least eight instances of chlorine use by the Syrian regime in the battle for Aleppo between Nov. 17 and Dec. 13, 2016. The human rights watchdog verified the attacks through video footage analysis, phone, and in-person interviews, as well as by social media.

    The report indicated that the chlorine attacks killed at least nine people, including four children, and injured around 200 people. The attacks, according to the report, constituted war crimes."http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...s-weapon-syria-civil-war-170314110043637.html
     
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    litwin;

    First, you should know whose analysis you're quoting: Atilla Yesilada is a "financial analyst" ! That "political analyst" title given by the Turkish girl who authored the article must be a "joke". Here's his twitter account where you can see his tweets about economy: (@AtillaYesilada1)

    Second, Turkey got what it needed: Cutting down through Jerablus the PKK corridor that aimed to be merging with Afrin in the west. Now there's Turkish army along with friendly factions of FSA situated right between two supposed PKK cantons (Manbij-Afrin).This was the "first step".

    Third, Russians do not control west of Euphrates as they aren't in control of Idlib which is located in west of Euphrates. They wouldn't have been in control of Aleppo if we didn't come to an agreement for Al-Bab. However, having swept ISIS out of 2000 km square land from Jerablus to South of Al-Bab, we can say Turks are. UA map of Syria would help you to see it. Russians are lately situated in farther northwest (Afrin). Turks agreed on Syrian army taking hold of a buffer zone between Manbij and Turkish forces and then put end to Euphrates Shield. Soon, we may see Euphrates Sword, if Iran keeps manipulating demographics and force 3 million in Idlib to migrate up north to Hatay border. As I said before, Russians deployed troops to Afrin in case Iranian push starts from south (Idlib) compromises the already built demographics of Afrin.

    Fourth, there's no power in this world to prevent us from taking action against the "Greater Israel project" on our 911 km long Syrian border unless TSK (Turkish Armed Forces) gets perished for good... And believe me, it is today much stronger than it was 2 years ago.

    Lastly, we have started negotiations with Assad months ago, despite the official narrative says otherwise. Sooner or later, most probably with the help of Assad, PKK will be out of North Syria. Because this is a matter of our Republic's sovereignty and survival.
     
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    assad? you must be joking , he needs Kurds and Kurdish state in order to cut sunni - arab capability/demography in Syria, then USA/EU will never allow you or Assad attack Kurdish state (de facto) in Syria . by the way , doesn't he on the way to Holland?

    "Because this is a matter of our Republic's sovereignty and survival" IT´S A myth, you can make a deal with Syrian Kurds like you did with Iraqi Kurds . with USA as a guarantor, by the way your comment is at least as good as Atila´s , if not batter so why he gets money for his job ?)
     
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    Agree. Anyone with a critical mind can see this was the act of rebels. It happened in broad daylight with one reporter. I have never seen so many carefully planned photo ops with masks put over the faces of children and adults. Assad had no reason to do this when he has the upper hand. This is to distract also from the Susan Rice scandal. How many times when a Obama scandal erupted, a terrorist attack happens somewhere on the earth. Tillerson announced a week ago that the people would decide on whether Assad stays. Trump has El Sisi at the white house this week. El Sisi took down muslim brotherhood at that first disastrous Obama regime change. That made the enemy furious. McCain is the head of the deep state and actually suggested that we join the rebel terrorists in bringing down Assad today. He is part of the last vestiges of the Obama and Bush administration. Representative Adam Kinzinger is also buddies with the muslim brotherhood.
    mccain.jpg
     
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    LOLOL That's not Baghdadi.. or any of the guys names in the photo.. Can't believe you fell for that.
     

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