Christian Values Lead to Happier Marriages

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Using newspeak the left calls it gender afirming care.

    Thanks to liberals the sexual mutilation of children is exploding in the US. I think the greatest danger of sex abuse to children is not christians, it is liberals. I don't know of any christians promoting geneital mutilation.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...e-industry-is-exploding-in-the-us/ar-AA17GVEr

    BTW, there is no need at all to teach anything about sex or any other woke sh** in grades K-3 or any grade for that matter. Most of us learned how to [perform sex acts] just fine without instruction from the government.
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    So where is your data to support this assertion?
     
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    The survey would have to be replicated by other social scientists and both the survey and findings peer reviewed to merit any consideration. And even then it might be suspect. Is social science real science? Cause real science is based on reproducible experiments not surveys and studies.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world...-hoaxsters-got-published-in-academic-journals
     
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    Nope. Leftists just ignore or excuse their own.
     
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    So you say. I am not aware of that. I thought this topic was about Christian values fostering happier marriages.
     
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    I see your point and mostly agree. But at the same time, tolerating and supporting self destructive and societally destructive behavior, only leads to more of it. It isn't compassionate, but rather procrastination. Neither science nor nature suffers deviations and foolish behavior. Why should God or the righteousness to which you make appeal.
     
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    I don't accept that there is an Earthly authority that has ANY right to judge people's lives like that.

    We draw lines when others are harmed. We recognize that there is a difference between sin and law - as the pope has pointed out.

    But, we as a nation recognize that not all marriages succeed, not all citizens are white Anglo Protestants, not all citizens are hetero, that there are sound reasons for abortion, humans come with a seriously strong sex drive while we work to prevent sex education, etc.

    Government has NO legitimate business using its power to make life far more difficult for those who don't happen to fit the cookie cutter definition that SOME of us see as optimal.
     
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    "newspeak"?

    You completely misinterpreted 1984, didn't you.
     
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    Check the news.
     
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    You are right. Let’s ban religion.
     
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    Yep, kids were learning just fine by becoming pregnant at 15 or so.
     
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    Care to give some examples of "societal destructive behavior"
     
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    Yeah I’m going to say that where I live people like teachers, Counsellor’s etc are not free to express their own feelings about the transgender movement.
    I’m not against people choosing to be trans but I’m against people altering their biology through medication or surgery prior to full development in the late 20’s. It’s not my choice what someone else does with their body but I think it is worse than drug use, alcohol use, etc for developing kids.
     
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    One of the problems with this is that after puberty, gender affirming care becomes incredibly difficult.

    For younger persons, it is possible to put off puberty when there seems to be a serious question.

    Gender affirming care includes different approaches - NOT just those that are irreversible, such as some surgeries.
     
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    An even bigger problem is that the use of hormone therapy has a deleterious affect on brain development.

    What does it profit a person to look more like a different gender but create developmental problems in their brain.

    To me, the transgender movement comes down to acceptance. People need to accept themselves for who and what they are. Anything less is not healthy. That, in my opinion, is why the suicide rate is so high. When there is a dissonance between who a person actually us and who they want to be then it causes depression and despair. Acceptance is the solution.
     
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    Trans can't seem to accept themselves for who they are but they expect you to accept their pretend identity
     
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    Kids are still confused about what they are even when going through puberty. It's child abuse to confuse them even more at such a developmental time
     
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    If you permanently sterilize them with artificial hormones or mutilating surgery, no need to worry about that any longer
     
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    It’s actually pretty normal to have a drive to become pregnant at 15. I’m not saying it is a desirable outcome but it’s also not the worst thing that can happen. With a loving and supportive family a person who gets pregnant at 15 can have a great life and so can their baby. I have seen it numerous times. When I have seen it, it’s because the baby’s grandparents took on a lot of responsibility allowing the teen to be a teen and also a mom.

    Supporting a teenager to be a mom is not the same as supporting a teenager to have surgeries and take medications to become something other than what they are.


    A friend of my parents helped raise her 15 year old’s baby. It was hard times in the sense that the father and the mother were still teens and trying to figure out what they want. At times it was unclear what his role as father would be. At times it was hard for her to be a mom while being so young. My parent’s friend was supportive and caring through the whole thing.

    Today, the young mom and dad are in their late twenties, married, working, being good parents and the girl’s mom lives with them now and is being supported as she grows older and closer to retirement.

    Its family supporting family, the way it should be.
     
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    Good point.
     
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    We have to learn to accept THEM for who they are.

    We can't teach them, by our laws and actions, that they are unacceptable as human beings - and expect them to be happy people.
     
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    It is the general population that is not happy with who they are.

    They aren't saying that they are unhappy with who they are - they are saying that they don't appreciate how they are being treated by segments of our society.
     
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    Having society decide what they are does not help to reduce confusion. They already KNOW what the hetero model is. We make that abundantly clear.

    What they know and the general public does NOT know is whether their anatomy and psychology fits that model.

    The problem has a lot more to do with the work put into rejecting these people as human beings.

    And, let's be real. In almost zero situations is it an issue that anyone else should be allowed to or need to judge.

    We make it hard enough already. Having government weigh in on what they are as humans can not POSSIBLY be a positive.

    What CAN be done is to improve understanding - with education being a major opportunity to defuse the hate and gross misunderstanding.
     
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    Definitely. Everyone should be accepted and cared for. I’m not preaching intolerance here. I’m saying that for those people who have a hard time accepting their own gender it would be better to learn to accept that is who they are rather than trying to get everyone around them to pretend they are something they are not. It’s not healthy, in my opinion. It’s also untenable. Put it this way, if you need to tell people what your gender is or what your pronouns are then you are obviously not that gender and those aren’t your pronouns.
     
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    Circumcision, 'nuff said.
     
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