Climate Frauds Debunked; 112° in the Desert? (the Horror) and The Vanishing Islands That Didn't

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  1. JBG

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    The New York Times is finally having to walk back, a teensy bit, from climate alarmism. See an article in a recent the New York Times, regarding the Maldives, a collection of atolls in the tropical , doomsday has been postponed. See The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish (link) in June 26, 2024 issue of the New York Times. Excerpt:

    I have long suspected that much of the fear-mongering has been baseless or exaggerated. Another example is the Hajj pilgrimage, see Heat Is Killing Thousands, and Big Events Have Not Adjusted (link). Excerpt:

    Long into the article, we learn (something I knew) that the Hajj floats around the calendar and often winds up in June-August. Excerpt:

    I have been following weather records in the Times for over 50 years and little has changed. I picked out a random date, June 25, 1983, where Riyadh, not far from Mecca, reached 107°. That area is always baking hot. The people who are pushing the "climate change" agenda think we have been over-consuming for other reasons and finally found an issue that gives traction. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. This was foreshadowed by other authors and thinkers, such as Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck. In Travels Steinbeck rails against conspicuous consumption and other signs of affluence. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). This was at the end of the sunshiny era of the 1950's and early 1960's, when highways were constructed and widened. Speed limits were generally raised. It was mostly a "let the good times roll" era, until it wasn't. The "Arab Oil Embargo" was seized upon as an excuse to limit highway speeds to 55 m.p.h. and the "Club of Rome" mentality became general. That was the point, culturally, where the good times were over. The mourning for doing well continues.
     
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    Accuracy is lost when alarmist tub-thumping takes center stage.
     
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    One.
    Just one.

    Show us just one doomsday climate prediction in the last 100 years that has proven accurate.

    Just one.
     
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    20 years on, climate change projections have come true

    This article was from 2012, and it stated that they were about .1 deg C Low at the halfway point in 2010 (primarily due to the Mount Pinataubo eruption), but here we are, approaching 2030, and getting very close to the 1.1 degree C prediction. This is not a "doomsday" prediction of the IPCC. Much harsher changes are forecasted in later Assessment Reports, as the IPCC continues to look forward very accurately.

    https://theconversation.com/20-years-on-climate-change-projections-have-come-true-11245

    2012
    Climate change predictions made 20 years ago have so far proved accurate, suggesting that the world is indeed on track to a radical climate shift, according to a new paper published today.

    In 1990, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – a group of the world’s top climate scientists – released its First Assessment Report, predicting global warming of about 1.1 degrees celsius between 1990 and 2030.
     
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    And then there was this prediction in the 1970s.

    40 years ago, scientists predicted climate change. And hey, they were right

    https://theconversation.com/40-year...climate-change-and-hey-they-were-right-120502

    The meeting at Woods Hole gathered together about 10 distinguished climate scientists, who also sought advice from other scientists from across the world. The group was led by Jule Charney from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, one of the most respected atmospheric scientists of the 20th century.

    The Report lays out clearly what was known about the likely effects of increasing carbon dioxide on the climate, as well as the uncertainties. The main conclusion of the Report was direct:

    We estimate the most probable warming for a doubling of CO₂ to be near 3°C with a probable error of 1.5°C.

    Here is the current data. Atmospheric CO2 has gone up about 30%, and we have gone up about a little under 1 deg C. So the prediction is nearly perfect. We are getting close to 33%, and the temperature increase is about 1/3 of the predicted 3 deg C. Pretty amazing, if you ask me!

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    A stopped clock is right twice per day.
    1970s Global Cooling Scare
    Posted on January 18, 2024 by Tony Heller
    January 30, 1961 – NYTimes 24 Dec 1962, 11 – The Los Angeles Times at Newspapers.com washingtonpost.com – search nation, world, technology and Washington area news archives. U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming Front Page of the New York … Continue reading →
     
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    The warming itself is not debated. The question is one of attribution.
     
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    If the world wasn't ending, how ever would these academic dolts get their funding? And the more likely it is to end, the more funding they believe they are entitled to. It just never ceases to amaze me that media believe they can bilk the public by inducing them by crying wolf this many times...

    I think its instructive that the geologic record has actually demonstrated that we've experienced massive global climate change in the past, and somehow, it's still "unprecedented" if it gets over 110F in the ME.... I would remind all the bedwetters out there that somewhere, around 11600 years ago, the seas suddenly rose about 400 Ft. A couple MMs a year of additional rise doesn't seem concerning in comparison....
     
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    Care to explain this in your own words?

    Oh, and climate doesn't "shift", btw. WTF does "climate shift" even mean?
     
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    Meaningless made-up numbers are, well, meaningless and made-up.

    It is not possible to measure Earth's temperature to any usable accuracy (not enough thermometers being used, unable to remove location and time biases from temperature station data, etc). It is likewise not possible to measure Earth's atmospheric CO2 content to any usable accuracy.

    Your government is BSing you in order for you to hand over even more of your freedoms in exchange for "safety".
     
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    Here in Wisconsin, this summer has actually been rather mild. It might've hit 90 degrees once or twice at most, but most days have been in the upper 70s / lower 80s. In fact, it's been the LACK of a handful or two of 90 degree days that has been atypical.

    Although, we've been POUNDED with rain this summer. Feels like we're in Seattle. I suppose THAT'S "proof" of "climate change" also instead of the occurrence of weather.......
     
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    For its advocates, the climate change narrative is flexible.
     
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    None of this has anything to do with the government. This was a group of Climate Scientists in the early ‘70s, led by a prominent Climate Scientist from MIT.

    The only political reference on display is your obvious bias.
     
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    While others feared a new Ice Age.
    U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming
     
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    Had you read the narrative from the 1970s prediction, you would have seen that the prediction was considered BOLD, because it was at a time when others were predicting a cooling event.
     
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    Tsk tsk. Denial is not a good look.
    U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming
     
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    I agree with you that the warming is not debatable. The point is that, using CO2 greenhouse gas science, math, and science; they were able to predict the warming quite accurately.
     
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    I remember that one in the mid 1970's when I began to wonder about the obvious cooling of the 1970's that was talked about on TV at the time.
     
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    They could also have “predicted” it by correlation with the opening of fast food restaurants.
     
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    Non-statement
     
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    Well...I mean...the last polar bear died in 2007. And acid rain killed all the crops so the entire northern American continent (funny how acid rain was centralized to the countries that had money that could afford to pay for the dire climate catastrophe situations). In 1970 we all froze to death...I mean...what more do you want?
     
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    Nope. Merely an illustration of the silliness of mistaking correlation for causation.
     
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    Yup. Any and ALL weather events can be considered "climate change".
     
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    It’s 110F in Rio Vista CA right now. A few weeks ago the high temperature was 67F. It’s called weather.
     
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    It takes at least 30 years to detect any climate change.
     
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