Climate-Science Deniers, Right-Wing Think Tanks, and Fossil Fuel Shills Are Plotting Against the Cle

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Again no validation
     
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    The same ol' excuse.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bogus numbers and statement.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fake info and numbers
     
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    Lashing out is unseemly.
     
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    Ditto.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really ignore all the Nuclear outrageous costs. Sheesh, your State of California pays every day, for all those plants that are shutdown. Out of 8 or 9 plants, only one is operating, and only about half the time. The rest have high level toxic radioactive waste which has to be stored and guarded 24/7. What a JOKE!
     
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    Those plants were decommissioned prematurely for political reasons. This is an example of the multitude of dumb things which have come out of Sacramento.
     
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    If only they were.
     
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    For good reason. You can’t keep dumping money into bottomless pits.
     
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    California is currently doing that every day.
     
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    Climate grift is being deconstructed by reality.
    Somebody Please Tell Kathy Hochul That The Climate Jig Is Up
    September 24, 2024/ Francis Menton
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    • It’s Climate Week here in New York, and you can feel the excitement.

    • The UN General Assembly is in town, and simultaneously something called the “Climate Group” (“Our mission is to drive climate action. Fast.”) is holding some 600 (!) events to promote policies that they somehow believe will “save the planet.”

    • At one of these events yesterday, New York Governor Kathy Hochul showed up to deliver what she probably thought was a significant policy speech. The Governor’s web page describes the speech this way:
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    . . . A few data points from the past few days:

    • The Wall Street Journal has a front-page article today, with headline and sub-headline “America’s Ambitious Climate Plan Is Faltering. Global emissions are at records, while shift away from fossil fuels slows amid high costs, surging power demand.” There are obligatory nods to the supposed climate crisis (this is the Journal’s news pages, not the opinion section), but there is no avoiding the reality. Examples from the article: “Climate optimism is fading. Higher costs, pushback from businesses and consumers, and the slow rollout of technology are delaying the transition from fossil fuels. . . . Investment in improving the efficiency of buildings—a major driver of emissions—fell last year, the International Energy Agency says. Spending decisions happening now can lock in emissions for decades. Multibillion-dollar liquefied-natural-gas terminals being built in Texas and Louisiana could serve a projected demand boom in places such as Southeast Asia.”

    • How’s that EV roll-out going? From Reuters, September 19: “[A]uto industry . . . data [released] on Thursday . . . showed the fourth consecutive monthly drop in EV sales, prompting the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association (ACEA) to demand "urgent action" to prevent further decline. . . . Sales of fully electric cars slumped 43.9% in August, as the bloc's biggest EV markets Germany and France recorded drops of 68.8% and 33.1% respectively, ACEA said.” Those are rather dramatic drops. In the usual European way, the manufacturers’ trade association took consumer resistance to buying EVs as an opportunity to demand more government subsidies and mandates: “[The ACEA said that] EU institutions [need] to come forward with urgent relief measures before new CO2 targets for cars and vans come into effect in 2025.”

    • This one is from a few weeks ago, but another so-called “green hydrogen” project has failed. It was only two months ago that I had a post on the failure of a big green hydrogen project in Australia. The latest such failure, last month, comes from Germany. From Hydrogen Insight, August 14: “The refusal of potential green hydrogen customers to sign binding sales agreements, as well as uncertainty over the price of the product, contributed to the collapse of a plan to build a renewable H2 project in the German city of Hannover. . . . [Officials originally] estimat[ed] that it would cost around €25m. However, by the time the project was cancelled in March this year, costs had ballooned five-fold to around €136m.” This was for just a 17 MW facility. . . .
     
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  13. Media_Truth

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    Oh boy! Another Quackery or Low Fact website!
     
  14. Jack Hays

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    The data are the data.
     
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    When your sites distort the truth, YOUR data becomes propaganda.
     
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    Nothing was distorted. The data are the data.
     
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    What truth do you claim is being distorted?
     
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    Tell that to the climate alarmists, Soros, the World Economic Forum and big media.
     
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    Scientists don’t post on Political Forums. Scientists publish their results. Scientific organizations assemble and report the work of scientists. Propaganda outlets assemble and report the work of scientists as best suits their financial interest.
     
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    yes they do.
    W. rong again. "scientific organization, eg the UN IPCC is a highly politicized organization that publishes a lot; as lot as the paper dutifully supports the goals ad aims of the UN. As do may others. Several scientists have had they papers rejected because their findings disagreed with the publisher's dogma
     
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    And we post their peer-reviewed research, which you proceed to dodge and denigrate because it doesn't fit your religious narrative.
     
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    The last sentence describes the IPCC.
     
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    Exactly. Some of the works you and others post are, IMHO, the most scientifically accurate and educational on the board. While I won't claim they've made me a de facto Climatologist or that I understand every concept they're well worth the time to read. On the other hand IPCC AR's seem to become less scientific and more sociological.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    I’m still waiting for any one of you to post a position paper of any of the top scientific organization that states that Co2 is not the PRIMARY driver of current warming.
     

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