CNN Medical Analyst Admits After Two Years There's Been 'Overcounting' of COVID Deaths

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  1. ButterBalls

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    Leftist play on words :)
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    But, ALL DEPENDENT ;) Just some less than others ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    And then there are facts :)
    Per capita Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of the United States in 2021, by state
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    Note how the state of Wyoming with with half a million people is just under a state "California" with 39 million people ;)
     
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    I have posted proof on PF many times from Canada that vaccines reduced the rate of hospitalization and deaths from covid. That proof comes from doctors and nurses with collective bargaining agreements in public hospitals.

    This from September 2, 2022. 80+% of Canadians have were vaccinated and more than half of of covid deaths were in the unvaccinated 18%.

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    You and your pals shamelessly claim the vaccines are ineffective. Well, above is proof your claim is BS.
     
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    It's GDP per capita. Egads. :roll: :roll:
     
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    Well, when the government hands out $13k to every confirmed Covid Positive patient that walks through a hospital door, then Hospitals will gladly take the money.
     
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    It is possible. I don't know and neither does the medical community. My wild guess is that nobody dies from covid unless they have a pre-existing condition. Your guess is as good as mine.
     
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    LOL. Good job getting your partisan hack in there. Government has no business being involved in health care. Period.
     
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    that would be false

    but it would increase your odds of dying, half the country is overweight, so there was that

    ironically, we heard smokers were less likely to be hospitalized
     
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    should doctors be licensed? should drugs have an approval process? should anyone maintain data bases and statistics?

    allowing the private sector free reign in health care is a great way for smoking to be advertised as healthy and testicle tanning as a cure for impotence.
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    You're so spoiling for a fight that you label someone who supports your claim as being "pety [sic] and ridiculous." Egads.
    You're blaming who for "destroying the economy?" Old people?
    The vaccine keeps us from filling up hospitals to the point pols are forced to implement mitigation measures to keep hospitals from turning away people with heart attacks and strokes.
    What you need to do as one of those who does not feel vulnerable is to put pressure on the pols to help those who are vulnerable to understand they're negatively impacting the economy by how they go about mitigating their personal risk. Doffing quality PPE and going out to the mall is better than getting Amazon to deliver Chinese goods. This includes younger people trying to avoid getting covid in an effort to protect their older mom or dad.
     
  10. ToughTalk

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    Then why quote it? Came off as you quibbling over the slight difference of "maybe 3 months" (my claim) to yours "we knew before three months..". Just agree to my initial claim and move on.

    I'm blaming every damn governement who over extended the lockdowns and mandates for far too long. Especially after the data came out detailing who and who wasn't at risk. Yall saved nothing and destroyed the global economy in the process.

    No. Not really. No. The difference between lockdowns and no lockdowns was not worth the destruction socially and economically. Sorry.

    Or, more realistically you could suggest to those who are vulnerable to STAY THE **** HOME. Or if you feel you must go out, by the ****ing vyzr mask and protect yourself. Also limit large gatherings and parties for grandma.

    We didnt need to punish EVERYONE, lockdown EVERYONE. We knew who was at risk. Leave it up to the individual to decide their own personal risk/reward. That would have been the smart thing to do. I think it's also fairly evident that the more heavy handed you get with a vaccine, the less likely some people will take it and the more likely they will not take it because you are telling them they have to take it.

    I hope lessons were learned.
     
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    Gotcha. So you are not in favor of Government mandating their employees to gain or retain employment, but you are all for PRIVATE companies setting any mandate they so please to gain or retain employment.

    One more question, have you ever served? If no, do you know anyone who served? How do you feel about the GOVERNMENT mandating their service members to receive any vaccine they see fit?
     
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    Yup, then again you didn't take all the facts into consideration and what federal funding pays for in most states :)
     
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    I'll stay with my opinion since there is evidence to the contrary.
     
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    I quoted it because I disagree about when they knew older people are at higher risk. They knew long before they imposed the major mitigation measures in early 2020. I object to them not telling the truth. Fauci lied about "masks" not being of use against covid when he knew N95 and better respirators prevent infection. Trump/CDC/Fauci et al simply didn't tell the truth about what they knew.
    I decided to tough it out in British Columbia when I saw what was going on in this country. BC never locked anyone down and only closed schools for a couple of months in early 2020. They had far fewer covid deaths because people cooperated by taking control of their individual situations.
    I wasn't behind the lockdowns. In fact, I've said how we should have gotten people most likely to end up in the hospital to modify their behavior--like wear high quality respirators--so we didn't face the choice between unpalatable lockdowns or having people with heart attacks die because the hospitals were overrun with covid patients.
    Pols don't have the stomach for seeing hospitals turn away heart patients, sick children, etc. That's why I said we should have focused on people more likely to end up in the hospital if they catch covid. In BC, they focused on First Nations (aboriginals) reservations, homeless, care homes, seniors to get them to take care of themselves. IMO, they didn't do enough in BC, but they started in the right direction.
    There was no real need for most seniors to hide out if they wore effective PPE. They could go to the store rather than sit at home and order Chinese goods.
    We didn't need to lockdown anyone. What we needed to do--and often didn't--was to take steps to protect the most vulnerable by going to them, not waiting for them to figure it out.
    Those people are idiots.

    Fauci told me to wear a surgical mask; I wore a P100 respirator.
     
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    I took the relevant facts into consideration. You didn't.
     
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    Or as they say, not all the facts :)
     
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    We crave pointing out how wrong you on the left are over and over....

    Covid was used by Democrats to bolster candidates against Trumps "record" (which was always apparently false) and use Covid to change voting rules to favor democrats.

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071692852/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071692937/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071704373/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071722505/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071754794/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071869461/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071987585/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072098491/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072111490/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072200465/

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1073180311/



    You fell for the media lies we said were false over and over. You ran to the polls and threw in your ballot for a Democrat.

    The MSM thanks you for being gullible.
     
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    How soon you forget what Americans thought of Trump's handling of covid.

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    Too much Newsmax for you. :roll: :roll:
     
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    I didn't see any actual relevant or real data. Only that a few doctors thought that somebody "might" be including incidental covid cases that did not actually contribute to death on death certificates. This doesn't prove anything - just a concern to look into. Let me know if somebody ACTUALLY finds something.

    From your source: "Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with covid are actually in the hospital for some other illness."

    Even if that claim is true, it's a valid covid diagnosis. Not the same as saying the person died of covid on their death certificate.

    PolitiFact | COVID-19 death toll has not been overcounted

    "The CDC considers the underlying cause of death as "the condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person’s death," Jeff Lancashire, acting associate director for communications at the NCHS told PolitiFact in August 2020. In 92% of death certificates that mention the virus, COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death."

    Meaning it's really only 8% of cases where covid was "merely contributing" rather than being the main cause, e.g. somebody with COPD and covid at the same time, but who was primarily dead because of copd but of an exacerbation made worse by covid.

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    Contrary to the assertion of the post, researchers have found evidence that overall deaths from COVID-19 have been undercounted, not overcounted, since the start of the pandemic.

    The CDC tracks what it calls "excess deaths" — the difference in the observed numbers of deaths in a period of time compared with prior years. Deaths from all causes, not just COVID-19, have increased since the pandemic started. The CDC says undercounts could be attributed to a number of factors, including deaths being misclassified or those indirectly related to the pandemic, like health conditions that went untreated due to overburdened health care systems.

    USA Today analyzed that data and other research and in December found that public health experts believe the true death toll of the pandemic in the U.S. to be "upward of 20% or more higher than the official tally."
    "
     
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    Because the average American was convinced in being hysterical at the time. I've asked several posters on these boards. "what could Trump have done differently in handling the pandemic" and the only response I get is "he teased people for wearing masks..."
     
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    Ok talking with you about this is a waste of time. You apparently agree to a certain extent that the lockdowns and the mandates were rediculous. I don't even know what the hell your point was in responding to me.
     
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    He could have focused government on helping those at greatest risk from covid. In the year leading up to the 2020 election, when we didn't have vaccines, he could have focused on getting good PPE to old people, people with preexisting medical conditions, managing the few situations where covid would have been easily spread--cruise ships, for example. Voluntary compliance should have been encouraged. He could have modeled good personal behavior toward mitigating risk of catching covid. Rather than play golf, he could have spent his time becoming an covid expert.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Trump block giving PPE to Canada because he wanted to take what limited supplies we had at the start to go to Americans first?

    https://www.thestar.com/politics/fe...ump-administration-tells-us-manufacturer.html

    "“We need these items immediately for domestic use. We have to have ‘em,” Trump said Friday. He shrugged off Canadian complaints, saying he was not happy with 3M, the Minnesota-based manufacturer that is the dominant supplier of masks in North America."

    Trump can only give each State the supplies, after that it's on the States to handle the distribution.

    Trump went full America first at the very start because supplies were short.

    Ontop of being American first, Trump also sent the National Guard to New York, California and the like...
    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/trump-sends-national-guard-to-n-y-calif-wash/2339116/

    So again...what could he have done differently that wouldn't have caused progressives from going full hysteria without cause? Oh I know...he was a big meanie when he made fun of Biden wearing that mask prop everywhere he went. Selling idiots on how they all need to be wearing them everywhere!

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5AqIEwc2C8c
     
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    Admits?

    1. This is an opinion piece, not a statement of fact. It even says it's an opinion piece in the title of the original article

    2. The person who wrote this article does not work for the CDC, nor do they play any part in calculating the official numbers

    3. This person seems to be commenting on the day to day reporting

    4. The day to day reporting is not considered official yet. The official count from the CDC tends to come weeks and months after the fact, and is not the same as the day to day reports. The day to day reporting is what is categorized as a "nowcast" estimate, and are used to report current daily changes. They are conducted quicker and are considered less accurate than the official CDC numbers on overall COVID deaths. The official overall number from the CDC is what is considered a "weighted" estimate, which involves a closer examination and takes a bit longer. For this reason, the day to day reporting doesn't show the same numbers as the official report on overall deaths

    Example: The day to day reporting (nowcast) shows our total deaths at 1,125,891 but the official count from the CDC (weighted) is still at 1,095,149

    5. No, the CDC does not have an interest in overcounting the numbers, quite the opposite in fact. My father passed away from COVID in October of 2021, my mom was suddenly left widowed and financially unprepared. People who are left under such circumstances are entitled to financial compensation from FEMA, but in order to get that financial relief you need to get the federal government to acknowledge that your loved one died from COVID. Although my father definitely died from COVID, it took the feds a long time to acknowledge this fact. At first they denied my mom's claim, she had to make a second claim some time later before they finally accepted.
     
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    Correct - Covid was not a "Big Deal" on the Plague Scale .. so all the blather to the contrary is how big the exaggerations were :)
     

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