Colin Kaepernick explains why he sat during national anthem

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Yep, and the freedom-loving Americans killed them with gusto for daring to fight for their freedom.
     
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    I was rightl. Just heard his gf Is an activist in BLM...!!!

    And his beard goes along with his recent Muslim conversion..need to know anything else?!
     
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    The English were trying to eliminate slavery. Slavers like Washington, Jefferson, and Key fought wars to keep slavery. The English were freeing all of the slaves who joined them in the fight against the American slavers. Key wrote a song about terrorizing and killing slaves and indentured servants who dared fight for the freedom with the English.
     
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    One thing is for sure and that is the slavers didn't free any slaves who fought with them against the English. It was the English who did the freeing.
     
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    He's an idiot yet you seem to admire him. Go figure that one.
     
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    Dear god man you have no idea why that song/poem was written.."The Star-Spangled Banner" is the national anthem of the United States of America. The lyrics come from "Defence of Fort M'Henry",[2] a poem written on September 14, 1814 by the 35-year-old lawyer and amateur poet Francis Scott Key after witnessing the bombardment of Fort McHenry by British ships of the Royal Navy in Baltimore Harbor during the Battle of Fort McHenry in the War of 1812. Key was inspired by the large American flag, the Star-Spangled Banner, flying triumphantly above the fort during the American victory.

    Simple wiki search.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

    btw

    The Americans, under the command of Major George Armistead, lost four killed, including one African-American soldier Private William Williams and a woman who was cut in half by a bomb as she carried supplies to the troops, and 24 wounded. At one point during the bombardment, a bomb crashed through the fort's powder magazine. Fortunately for the defenders, either the rain extinguished the fuse or the bomb was a dud.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_McHenry

    You (*)(*)(*)(*) on William Williams memory.
     
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    The English weren't trying to eliminate slavery.
    "Only slaves belonging to loyalists were returned, which shows that it was a political tactic rather than a humanitarian concern to offer freedom to slaves. This is most obvious in the framing of the declaration of Independence and the Constitution, neither of which abolish slavery or offer concessions to the free and enslaved black populations."

    http://fas-history.rutgers.edu/clemens/AfricanAmericansRevolution.html

    Like it or not,it's The National Anthem for the USA.
     
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    Your anecdotal recitation of statistics you claim are so don't constitute proof of anything.
    Actual verifiable cases of the police shooting people they know to be unarmed and not a threat are so rare they are virtually nonexistent.
     
  9. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Most of that is true. What is also true is that Key was a slaver and he was boasting about how indentured servants and slaves who had joined the English would be hunted down and killed for daring to fight for their freedom. That's the rest of the story.
     
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    Jackass Former Starting Quarterback Won't Stand for National Anthem Until Country Changes to His Liking

    He'll be spending his time during the Anthem like he'll be spending his time while the offense is on the field -- sitting on his ass.

    Fk this guy and fk the NFL.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/365521.php
     
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    The problem is you believe the police. MANY cases, no evidence of a weapon turns up, but they mark it down as having found one. Police lie all the time, this is why communities cannot trust them. I studied LEO as a profession, I know what I'm talking about. They lie to cover their asses.
     
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    You left out

    The Americans, under the command of Major George Armistead, lost four killed, including one African-American soldier Private William Williams and a woman who was cut in half by a bomb as she carried supplies to the troops, and 24 wounded. At one point during the bombardment, a bomb crashed through the fort's powder magazine. Fortunately for the defenders, either the rain extinguished the fuse or the bomb was a dud.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_McHenry

    You (*)(*)(*)(*) on William Williams memory.

    Care to comment?
     
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    The slavers like Washington, Jefferson, and Key fought wars to maintain slavery. The English spent a fortune and countless English lives trying to end slavery. The slavers made slavery part of the national law. Maybe that's one reason why Kap is now refusing to stand to honor a song that boasts about slavers killing black people.
     
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    But they bought their southern grown cotton & tobacco, huh?!
     
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    Point blank Kaep is an asshat. He claims to be down for the cause but has done nothing but literally sit. Where was he for Louisiana? I'll tell you who was there, the police, Ff, ems .... Where was Kaep for any of the riots that happened in this country, no where to be found.... He's just trying to stay relevant by tapping a national issue and evoking emotion. Did you notice no one cared about him until a couple days ago? Now everyone is talking about him. That's all it is.

    As a vet, I fought for his freedom. If he wants to be an asshat then that's his right. As a cop, I feel insulted that he has police protecting him in that stadium so he can "protest" without fear of harm then wants to call those people protecting him murderers. NEWS FLASH every one of the BLM martyrs have been found to be wrong in every instance. If he wants to support them, let him, but doesn't change the fact that they caused their own demise.
     
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    That's asshelmet, were talking football now!
     
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    "By and large that is not the norm" is not even SLIGHTLY good enough.

    Where did you get that idea? I really want to know.

    And, protests will naturally subside as issues being protested are resolved - not before.
     
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    A piece like this was probably inevitable. Read the whole thing at the link:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ouldn_t_stand_during_the_national_anthem.html

    Critics Demand Colin Kaepernick Stand During National Anthem for a Variety of Very Dumb Reasons
    By Ben Mathis-Lilley
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    Colin Kapernick during an Oct. 4, 2015 game in Santa Clara, California.
    Cary Edmondson/USA Today Sports/Reuters

    On Friday night, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick chose not to stand as "The Star-Spangled Banner" played before his team's preseason game against the Green Bay Packers. Kaepernick later explained that this was an act of protest against the oppression faced by black Americans and other people of color in the United States. "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder," he said, referring to high-profile incidents in which police officers have not been prosecuted for inappropriate uses of deadly force.

    As you might imagine, Kaepernick has come under heavy attack. Here, from most to least incoherent, are the reasons critics have given for why they consider his protest reprehensible. I've also included Kaepernick's responses to those criticisms, which he elucidated when he met with the press on Sunday.

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    7. What about black-on-black crime, though?

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    Stephen A. Smith, ladies and gentlemen. We've been over this one before, and thankfully no one has been dumb enough to ask Kaepernick about it. My God.

    6. The troops.

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    Pat Tillman gave up @NFL career to protect our freedom @Kaepernick7 enjoys that freedom & disrespects country @49ers
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    The logic here is that American soldiers fight and die to defend your right to free speech (true!), therefore you must use those speech rights to praise the troops (not true), who are embodied by the flag, which represents the military (also not true). Kaepernick addressed this issue on Sunday: "I have great respect for men and women that have fought for this country. I have family, I have friends that have gone and fought for this country. They fight for freedom. They fight for the people, they fight for liberty and justice for everyone. And that’s not happening. People are dying in vain [at home] because this country isn’t holding their end of the bargain up." Later he added that "going back to the military thing, it’s a freedom that men and women that have fought for this country have given me—this opportunity—by the contributions they have made."

    Incidentally, according to his mother and service members who knew him, Pat Tillman—an NFL player who quit the league to fight in Afghanistan, where he was killed by friendly fire—was a Noam Chomsky reader who was critical of George W. Bush and felt the Iraq War was "illegal."

    5. He's rich and therefore not himself oppressed.

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    Kaepernick explained Sunday that his protest "wasn’t for me. This stand wasn’t because I feel like I’m being put down in any kind of way." He also said, "At this point, I’ve been blessed to be able to get this far and have the privilege of being in the NFL and making the kind of money I make and enjoy luxuries like that. But I can’t look in the mirror and see other people dying in the street that should have the same opportunities that I’ve had and say, you know what, I can live with myself."

    Finally, he added that "one of my roommates was moving out of a house in college and because we were the only black people in that neighborhood, the cops got called and all of us had guns drawn on us. I mean, came in the house without knocking, guns drawn, on one of my teammates and roommates. So I have experienced [mistreatment]. People close to me have experienced this."
     
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    I don't remember him calling anyone a murderer. Please cite.

    So, for how long do i have to protest something before you think it's legit to sit out the national anthem?

    Do you have limits for other forms of protest, too?
     
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    Do you think Kaepernic knows those verses?
     
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    "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

    Hint its in the OP..
     
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    I've heard the song a thousand times and never more than the first verse has ever been played!
    Never! All Colin Kaepernick and 99% of the public know of the song is the first verse so your yakking is pointless, moot and so off point it is nonexistent.
    Key owned seven slaves, by the way and freed six of them, the seventh staying on as hired help. So much for the raving monster.


    Kaepernick can stay seated, where he usually watches games (sitting on the bench), forever for all I care rather than stand for the national anthem, which is a matter of appreciation for a nation where sullen children like Kaepernick can become multi millionaires and live pampered consequence free lives rather than a referendum on the merits of a song people have never remotely fully heard or studied, so your entire screed is so filled with bull(*)(*)(*)(*) it's hard not to smell the
    odor coming from your post itself.

    I don't know if it escaped you keen notice or not but this nation put an end to slavery sometime ago and hundreds of thousands of people died fighting to do so. That's something you and Kaepernick don't seem to want to acknowledge and we even have a president who is black and still fools whine, complain and cry because they feel somehow, blacks are suffering terribly in this country.

    The REAL issue is not the Star Spangled Banner itself, which I'll bet "discerning" thinkers like yourself haven't figured out, but the plight of blacks in this country where black on black crime kills more African Americans in a week than police kill all year. And a brain dead fool like Kaepernick is taken in by
    progressive disinformation and isn't bright enough or honest enough to see through it all and think for himself.
    Yeah, so keep sitting down, Colin, and keep hating a nation that allows fools like you to prattle on and posts like yours that perpetuate idiocy writ large.
     
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    Sure, black people have fought in every war in America since 1620. They fought on the side of the American slavers who fought the Revolutionary War to keep them in slavery. They fought on both sides during the Civil War. They fought in WWI for democracy overseas when they didn't have any here. During WWII the racists wouldn't let them fight the white Nazi troops who were trying to conquer the world.

    It took the former KKK member Truman to integrate the military forces, mainly because he had to counter commie propaganda. So when a guy like Kap looks back at history he could see centuries of oppression against black people. He might even be moved to speak out against it and to say that the country needs to do better if it wants to live up to its propaganda.

    If people don't want to live up to the nation's propaganda that's fine. They should plainly say so. There's no need to be hypocrites. George Wallace was a racist but he wasn't a hypocrite. Everyone knew where he stood on racial matters. He didn't sugar-coat anything. If people want to follow his example they should do it and cut out the pretense of being for freedom, equal rights and equal justice.

    Kap saw a problem and he spoke out against it. Isn't that something all modern day Americans should have the right to do? In the past he would have been lynched for being "uppity". Is he being uppity or is he exercising his right to speak out on political issues like modern day Americans supposedly have the right to do?
     
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    Once more, feel free to validate your claims with hard data. Oh, right...you can't.
     

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