Comey vs. Trump, it is not going to be pretty

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  1. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A stupid, pathetic tactic that illustrates how weak Trump's defense is. You want me to waste my time repeating things over and over again. In the meantime, you have nothing to say other than making clear to everyone your total ignorance.
     
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    Sandy Shaking;

    I don't expect you to read all of my posts, but I have said that Mueller will conduct his investigation and conclude the Russian Collusion is an Illusion. Your post is very closed minded like all the rest bent on believing in this hoax.
     
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    The inability to comprehend that Trump has not committed obstruction as explained by Alan Dershowitz can only be explained by TDS. The allegation is absurd.
     
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    All you repeat is speculation and innuendo - and again where is the crime ?? Alan Dershowitz has explained all this and your response was that he must be on Trump's payroll. It's clear where the ignorance and derangement reside.
     
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    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you realize, like many of Trump's fans, you didn't say a thing. Generalized denials are meaningless. Why not share one or two or more of your posts so we know what you are talking about. That is, if you have any posts with substance, not empty rhetoric like this one.
     
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    There are no points. Alan Dershowitz has confirmed this. Like all of the PUI's you haven't shown any crime.
     
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    Tell that to Nixon and Clinton.

    Articles of Impeachment against Nixon include: Section 4, interfering or endeavouring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, and Congressional Committees.

    Articles of Impeachment against Clinton include: The president obstructed justice in an effort to delay, impede, cover up and conceal the existence of evidence related to the Jones case.

    Here are the facts supporting the charge of obstruction.

    Flynn, in December spoke to the Russian ambassador about the sanctions imposed by Obama. The next day, Putin said he will deal with the incoming Trump administration about the sanctions and did not retaliate. When Trump became President, Flynn became his NSA.

    Flynn lied about the phone call to the veep. Flynn was fired.

    While campaigning for Trump and while the NSA Flynn represented a foreign government, Turkey. The Russians had paid Flynn $34,000. The check came from RT, the Russian propaganda network.

    Comey was actively investigating Flynn.

    Trump asked Comey for his loyalty. Comey refused.

    Trump asked Comey to “let Flynn go.” Comey refused.

    Trump fired Comey.

    Trump admitted to Lester Holt the reason for Comey’s firing was Comey’s Russian investigation.

    The day after firing Mr. Comey, Trump hosted Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, in the Oval Office, along with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak. He told the Russians, “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

    That information barely scratches the surface.

    Is that obstruction of justice? I don’t know. That is above my pay grade.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a presumed guilt by Democrats supporters. Surely the detractors of Trump admit they mourn their loved Hillary never made it to the top of the grade. And she failed. And she still refuses to take responsibility.

    There are plenty of legal support experts who support Trump's position even if they do not themselves support him.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are not being concise. If a lawyer talked that way to a court of law, the Judge might laugh him out.

    You want to make a case against Trump when there is none. You are carrying an empty water bucket. We see no water.
     
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    Robert, I have said this to you before. I don't care what Democrats do. I have nothing to do with Democrats. The OP, the various posts containing facts in the case, which you totally ignore, have nothing to do with Democrats. If you want to talk about Democrats, find the appropriate thread.

    Tell me, what does Trump's "legal support experts" have to say? You omitted that. We know one of his lawyers admitted twice that Trump is being investigated. What else do they have to say?
     
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    I figured you would be upset and talk just as you talk. It is how you treat posters unless they totally agree with you.

    Trumps lawyer who showed up to defend trump this past week end insists there is no investigation against Trump. Comey confirmed this.
     
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    :roflol: :roll: :)
     
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    At last. Now I get it. You post for the humor in the posting.
     
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    What do Nixon and Clinton have to do with Trump ??

    And where is the crime in any of your PUI talking points ??

    I'd suggest reviewing the liberal progressive Alan Dershowitz's legal opinion.

    Meanwhile some D's after losing again in GA and SC are realizing that a political party whose only policy is claiming a Russian conspiracy is not working.
     
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    Where is the crime ?? Please review Alan Dershowitz discussion on the fact that no crime has been committed.
     
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    That's what PUI's do. :deadhorse:
     
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    I'm shaking, Sandy Shaking
     
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    You sound like a broken record. Your only play is Dershowitz, and you have played that card monotonously as if his is the only opinion on the issue. It isn't, not by a long shot. The Republican House had a different opinion in 1974 when they were about to impeach Nixon. So did the Supreme Court that upheld the House decision. The same thing happened again in 1998 when Clinton was impeached for obstruction. Against this, you have only Dershowitz. That's almost humorous.

    As for Trump, here is another opinion, not that it matters much. History and fact mean a lot more.

    “Obstruction of justice was among the articles of impeachment drafted against both Presidents Nixon and Clinton,” he wrote on his website.

    “The parallel between Nixon and Trump is almost exact. White House tapes revealed Nixon giving instructions to pressure the acting FBI director into halting the Watergate investigation.”

    He added: “Two weeks after Trump told Comey privately, ‘I need loyalty. I expect loyalty’, he had another private meeting with Comey in the Oval Office. After shooing out his advisers – all of whom had top security clearance – Trump said to Comey, according to Comey’s memo written shortly after the meeting, ‘I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go’.”

    Keep something in mind. Trump has never called Comey a liar even when given an opportunity to do so in the Rose Garden when he tried to refute Comey. Few Americans believed him, including his own son.
     
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    Dershowitz explains the fact that no crime has been committed. He is a liberal progressive, voted for Hillary, but fair minded and of course a legal expert of the highest level.

    Any comparison between Nixon and Trump is absurd.
     
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    Robert, do you make up these things as you go along? I have noticed you never support statements like these. We are just suppose to believe you on your sayso. Well, that doesn't work on this forum. A statement like that without substance is totally meaningless.

    Of course, every Trump fan on this page is guilty of the same offense. Posts are just words, no substance, gross ignorance, and meaningless.
     
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    Two words - Alan Dershowitz who voted for Hillary and cannot stand Donald Trump.

    And more of the TDS ridiculousness. Some D's are finally realizing that a party whose only message is Russian collusion is in big trouble.
     
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    That from the poster who makes unsupported or tainted statement all day long is funny. Thanks for the laugh.
     
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    Yes, but there are a host of non Trump supporters, legal minds, backing him. We are in a period we call Trump derangement syndrome. Rather than legally examine things Trump has done, the witch hunt starts with the premise Trump did it. It being anything the poster wishes to claim. And they use flawed sources. But we are supposed to believe flawed sources. Funny innit?

    Here, I shall give you a lawyer that supported Clinton.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortn...ump-is-innocent-of-criminal-activity-n2331702

     
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    Well, there is an unbiased source for you, Trump's lawyer. :roflol:You are confused again. Comey did not confirm Trump was not being investigated. Comey said Trump was not being investigated during his watch. His watch ended on May 9th, and Trump is now begin investigated. That was confirmed by Trump himself and his lawyer ... twice.

    Scroll down to the video of Chris Wallace and Sekulow.
    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/18/trumps-lawyer-loses-admits-trump-criminal-investigation.html
     
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    I am seriously beginning to wonder if you put blinders on when quoting a post. You ask the dumbest questions, the answers being in the post you just quoted.

    Perhaps, you enjoy making a fool of yourself.
     

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