Covid situation in Australia - Feds to blame!

Thanks, MM. So the issue IS not them *leaving* but the *returning* part. From that, it seems to follow that these people have created a deficit in the workforce if they hold/held jobs that can't be done remotely. How has that impacted the economy there?

In fairness, I must disclose that I've reached my upper limit. I've just become exhausted with the everchanging rules, back pedaling, sideways this and that, etc. It's going to take years, if not decades, to right this ship.

 

Sorry Bb,
I don't agree. Mortality rate is around 2%, that is a fact !!!!! With morbidity, okay, that I don't know.
Reg. Cats

 

And keep the borders shut forever?
I say accept fully vaccinated travelers (with a negative test of max 72h old) when arriving, and do another test at the airport at arrival. If this is negative again, all good.
Reg.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579


Note two issues here

First this is based on a 28 day mortality and there is evidence that in the older population the mortality rate is higher over a 3-6 month period and
2. This is the UK variant - the delta variant appears to be more aggressive, is targeting a younger population and seems more lethal but it is difficult to get a definitive at this point

Worldwide mortality is highly variable

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n693

 

It would be better if everyone got enthusiastic about being vaccinated

 

The economy has been surprisingly robust, thanks in part (unfortunately) to robust government bail-out. I think we are in a better position than most.

Lock-down fatigue is very real! Hard to say what the future trends will be, nor when cases will "peak". Most devastated of all will be live music, arts and tourism. I worry about infants born during this period and potential developmental issues. School kids as well.

 

I don't think Australians like the imagery of the government placing them in camps in remote areas. Hotels are a much safer bet for any politician who wants to remain one.

 

Maybe give them some incentives to get vaccinated then?

Most people I know under 30 are actively not getting the vaccine. Deliberately so.

Give vaccinated people a mask exemption and I guarantee you'd have half the population queuing up tomorrow.

 

Australia (much like Canada) basically tried to wall themselves off and wait for everybody else to be the human lab rats for the vaccines to determine how safe and effective they were. This was a calculated risk when the variants were generally less aggressive and severe than the delta variant. What really remains to be seen is if the vaccines are as effective as some are saying against delta. I suspect we could see America backsliding into restrictions again if it continues to grow here.

 

Have you SEEN the latest stats from Sydney? The Delta variant is taking down a younger cohort

 

That's exactly my point - 20% of cases in Sydney were in under 35s, pretty much entirely because of their low vaccination rates.

To someone who is 20 years old getting the vaccine does not seem all that attractive.

 

What did Trump do?

I've got an idea to get most of the US population lining up to be vaccinated. Rename the vaccine the Trump Vaccine and those sheep will be fighting each other to be first to get it...

 

I'm not a Trump fan. But vaccine procurement is Federal and one way or another you have plenty of vaccine and 50% of the population vaccinated. Here in Australia we have 5%

 

The real issue is that despite having the third best university system in the world we are unable to manufacture it here.

 

He did ban travel from China at a time when almost everyone was ripping him for it. That deserves some sort of credit.

 

YES!

Australia is a tragedy waiting to happen once demand for our mineral resources wanes.

I blame it on lack of centralized government support, but I know many disagree.

 

Numbers have shot up.

38% of the population has had at least one dose; 16% have had two doses. Finally getting somewhere!

 

My entire political philosophy is based on opposition to centralised government wherever present, so yes going to have to disagree on that one.

The cold hard fact is that China has a comparative advantage in labour laws. We have a high minimum wage, extensive workplace regulations, etc. China does not.

This is why the West has slowly outsourced all the labour jobs it can and only service jobs remain.

The solutions are to roll back our labour laws, or somehow strengthen China's, or adopt protectionist trade policy, or accept the status quo. None of them particularly great.

 

Pfizer is manufactured in Germany... China is not a role model for hi-tech manufacturing. The imitation American lassez-fair that our lazy good for nothing federal government has been ramming down our throats has killed off our car industry, many other industries and worse. If you look at it European countries that have active, forward thinking federal governments, they are relatively prepared for the future. We are not.

 

Germany has a federal structure, France has a unitary structure. Which is going better?

Government operates best when it is as close to the individual as possible. In practice this means small jurisdictions associated in a federal or confederal structure.

The Old Swiss Confederacy was the best European government ever established.

 

Well now, the projected loss over Covid was 2% in the beginning which was close to being accurate in reality. This new variant called delta is far more communicable as it becomes infectious faster and far more virulent with this increase left un-interrupted the mortality rate will increase. The fact that the average age of mortality is decreasing which in itself should wake people up to the speed of mutation and seriousness of the virus.


ONLY a fool looks to this pandemic as being the same as the flu. Like people who think it are only people with underlying issues that die. Many people who have died were healthy before contracting the virus. The issue of underlying health issues is that those people are pretty much guaranteed a death sentence.


As for the Vaccination, there is good evidence that at present this will help prevent serious illness from the current variants of this virus. However, underlying health issues AND some who have no access to treatment will still die from this virus. There has been noted persons who have contracted the virus and before they considered this infection to be serious have died at home. Vaccine is not the answer at the moment just a tool that may help to control the virus's spread.

Now there is a NEW variant found in England that seems to be less affected by vaccines and again far more virulent as the virus is again mutating. We can watch the next few months to see how this will play out.

All in all, the problem in combating this virus is the ignorance of foolishness. Those who have not been affected in any way sit back and blurt out opinions based on ignorance. Sure we all cannot be experts but we can sure as hell listen to the experts who are telling us all that this virus is extremely dangerous. We can talk mortality and morbidity rates but until the world gets some sort of control of virus spread and treatment, we all have to take steps to not only keep ourselves safe but the loved ones

 

Good for Australia stand up for your rights don't let your government push you around.

 

We have shot up from 4.7% to 42% in the three months since I posted that. It was nothing to do with government resistance. We simply didn't have vaccine as well as a bit of complacency pre Delta.

 

I saw the video where the construction workers union was rioting against their own Union which seems kind of stupid the union is supposed to be theirs.

 

A large number of those protestors have been identified as NOT being union members. They are an amalgamation of far-right white supremacists, anarchists, Nazis, etc, who look for any opportunity to create confrontation with the police…