Cut Teacher Pay - US Education Spending Highest in the World

Discussion in 'Education' started by PatriotNews, Feb 8, 2016.

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Should we cut teacher pay?

Poll closed Feb 7, 2017.
  1. Fire them and cut their pay

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  2. Don't fire them, just cut their pay

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  3. Teachers work hard and are mostly good, don't cut their pay

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  1. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    They are overpaid part-time greedy liberal hack bastards that
    need a serious punch in the face in the form of a reality check
    that is half of what they are earning now.
     
  2. willburroughs

    willburroughs Well-Known Member

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    Obviously your education failed you, and you are a bit bitter about it.
     
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    willburroughs Well-Known Member

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    Trying to figure out the point behind your trolling.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    IMO: Excellent teachers deserve excellent pay, bad teachers deserve to be shown the door. Do away with tenure and pay them based on their performance.
     
  5. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    In other words, you have no arguments, so you'll insult them instead.
     
  6. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    Speak for yourself.
    Ditto.

    I'm finally calling the teaching industry out.

    These leftist indoctrinating hacks are ruining our country.

    We need to stop letting liberals brainwash our children.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it isn't teacher pay that is causing the high price of public education in America it is the upper bureaucracy government cause bureaucracy
     
  8. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Then become a teacher.
     
  9. RedDirtWalker

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    As a child of a teacher and can tell you that your estimation on how much that work is incorrect....for some. For teachers that really care about teaching there are many hours outside of the classroom preparing and just as many hours at the end of the day grading papers, and other administrative/clerical requirements of the job. I remember many occasions when my mother was at the dinning room table with stacks of papers grading until I went to bed. During the summer my mother attended many classes to improve her skills and learn current methods.

    Another issue I have with teacher pay is the ratio of pay to education required. My mother as an example has a Masters in education and has more certificates of completion related to classes than I could count. However her son (me) with an Associates Degree was making more money then she was 9 or so years into my profession. Would should teachers be required to spend huge sums of money for their education and not get compensated comparably to someone with same amount of education? Now before you start down the rabbit warren of all of the pay possibilities based upon a BS degree and that some jobs are in demand more than others......I ask, what job do we demand the most of?
     
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    I'm just looking at the results. We spend more per pupil and get the worst results.

    I don't know why we hold teachers up as some kind of sacred cow when they are
    failing so miserably.
     
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    I can't argue with the results either. My mother and now my sister (a teacher) also push me to vote for legislation and tax increases anytime it comes up. I used to vote for it always, but over the past several years I have voted no. When I would ask them when something new came along to raise taxes for education I would ask.

    After the last tax increase did you get a raise = No or a little (below 3%)
    After the last tax increase did you get new equipment = No or a little
    After the last tax increase did the building get updates = Some

    I told them when they can start answering with a strong yes to one of those I will vote for more increases. Where is that money going? How can we spend more money per student then most other countries, have such terrible record and still want more money?
     
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    It is hilarious that someone would think so.
     
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    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    Did you know that California has the lowest literacy rate per capita yet I am sure that if they’re not number one in education wages, they’re definitely high up there.
     
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    Do you have any evidence to show that incentivizing teachers leads to better educational performance of students?

    Some of the best-funded public schools in the US have the worst educational performance.

    Education spending has drastically increased in the US over the decades, while the test scores of students attending U.S. public schools are lower than student scores in schools of other developed countries, in the areas of reading, math, and science, who spend far less on education than the US does.

    Why should we continue to incentivize failure?
     
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    You're basing the actions of a few upon the whole which is fundamentally wrong at its roots. You should blame the school administrators who hire bad teachers in the first place but after all its easier to blame the teachers and/or unions for the short comings of the administrators. Perhaps if schools had a better method of vetting prospective teachers, that might go a long way of weeding out bad hires in the first place. Then again, if you think you can do a better job, then why don't you home school your children??
     
  16. unkotare

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    Better yet, anyone who thinks they can do better should step up and become a teacher.
     
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