DACA down the drain!

Yes.

So basic that it MUST be ignored by the head bobblers.

 

I knew all along that Trump would never actually deport the Dreamers, unless they committed a crime. Now (just tonight) he has explicitly said that he will (not "may") revisit the issue if congress does not legalize the Dreamers:

Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can't, I will revisit this issue!

Trump haters are way off base, especially on the Dreamer issue. Their minds are made up that he's a racist, and nothing can dissuade them. Nothing.

 

So you're saying we could provide jobs for over 700,000 citizens by ending DACA?

Superb news for nearly 3/4 of a million!

 

Yes, and he never prioritized the deportation of DREAMERS.

Never.

How many DREAMERS have ever been deported anyway?

on edit: as of April, 2017, "All 43 former Dreamers deported since Trump’s inauguration had been convicted of crimes or found to have gang affiliations, [Homeland Security Press Secretary] Christensen said in an email. "

43 out of 700,000? And they had criminal convictions or gang affiliations?

 

The reality of all this is that what the Koch Bros. and other plutocrats want, they get.

They want DACA, so DACA.

We the People have no voice despite being citizens, so if Congress doesn't codify DACA, Trump will.

But smart move in the meantime to punt it to Congress.

 

He announced that he will extend the deadline if congress doesn't act.

 

Nothing like demonstrating parocial fear, open prejudice and ignorance! And the usual right wing blame the victim!

Your claim that they "learned english at our expense" assumes that the parents never worked, which is clearly not true.

Then you assume that they will "work their way to the head of the line" faster because they speak english.

Sorry, but speaking English does not grant any immigrant a priority.

The United States is one of the hardest countries in the world to immigrate to legally.

Why would anyone make the totally crass, and absolutely baseless and ridiculous assertion that a person who is deported from the US, will have an easy time becoming a legal citizen simply because they learned to speak English "at our (imaginary) expense!

Deplorable.

 

When? I did not hear Sessions say that.

 

At a whisker over 4% on the dole, Obama has returned the USA to full employment. Where are the replacement workers coming from?

 

Morning news.

 

Lowest labor participation rate. Still about 7 mill behind in jobs.

 

Typical left wing ... portray scofflaws as victims. Then ignore that "dreamers" had years to apply for permanent status. The RAISE Act, will give priority to "dreamers", educated, english speaking, applicants. Obama fed illegals false hopes of amnesty, never bothering to streamline immigration.

 

Because they undoubtedly thought the nation was fair and compassionate and, as Obama implored, Congress would enact legislation to take care of the Dreamers. Businesses are in fact correct in their thinking, Americans overwhelming support DACA, including Trump voters. There is a small group of zealots who are anti DACA, they are supposedly Trump's base. I do believe Congress can get DACA specific legislation through in time. If they try for total immigration legislation it will fail......

Trump finally understood the total impact of what he has done late yesterday afternoon - which is why he sent out his extraordinary tweet. Just unbelievable......and still cowardly. If nothing is done and DACA dies, America will definitely achieve pariah state status, a nation that cannot be trusted whatsoever and a nation that is unbelievably cruel.

 

Ah, so it isn't exactly a "standard" per se, because obviously, if it was, it would also impugn those you actually seem to respect. Which, frankly is laughable. But hey, we get it, anything to make you continuously angry about Trump, and any perceived slight being sufficient to add to the anger.

I'd simply point out that you're angry about Trump adhering to the constitutional restrictions of his office. You'll recall that during 2011 Obama said it over and over and over that he COULD NOT legislate by fiat. He repeated it everywhere he went during the campaign. And yet, he still enacted DACA, a non legislated, wholly unconstitutional measure that you're now seeing as somehow both courageous and heroic. It is astonishing, truly.

And when the current President decides, CORRECTLY, that the DACA "fiat legislation" is problematic and suspends it after a grace period, all you can come up with is that you think this is cowardly? As in being the adult in the room following the law somehow makes one a coward? It's laughable.

 

What does this really mean? Which companies are operating illegally? Only your assertion that they are, no citation, so frankly, not credible in any way.

On the side note, jobs,.. yes, actually, "my ilk" are addressing jobs. We are simply asking that your ilk do as well. Is that simply too much to ask? You cannot demonstrate one large business, bank, manufacturing, technology, etc that aren't already following the law. Your screed about business doing illegal things is simply fabricated. You have zero evidence of it, and frankly it's absurd. But, at the same time, you refuse to acknowledge where illegal employment does exist. Why? Afraid that your favorite restaurant will close? That you won't be able to get your lawn mowed? Fearful that perhaps inner city employment will improve?

What is it with you liberals? Lie about the scope of the problem, and then whine when you get called on it, and instead of actually creating an argument that is factual, you run away into ad hominem. Truly, it is laughable.

 

Get over yourself. Learning English and American civics has been required of legal immigrants for generations. They have also been required to prove that they have job skills to not be a burden on the tax payer. Wading across a river is not a prerequisite for admission. Growing up in America will help them. America is one of the hardest countries in which to immigrate for a reason. We don't owe our prosperity to the world.

 

DACA is not yet proven to be unconstitutional, it has not been tested in court. Why are some saying it's illegal when, so far, it is not. It is the result of an executive order by Obama in 2012 - are you saying presidents cannot issue executive orders? Even Obama implored Congress to act when he implemented DACA. So far, nothing.......by the way, your boyTrump has become quite the user of executive orders / actions etc.

You must have missed Trump's late afternoon tweet yesterday, it has finally dawned on him just how completely unpopular and viciously cruel this action is. He is now saying if Congress can't get legislation done in time, he will step in -

"Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can't, I will revisit this issue!"

This must warm your heart, LOL......Trump - the ultimate flip flopper.......

 

Like DAPA, it would not pass scrutiny. DACA gives positive benefits to a subset of illegal immigrants which changes the law by creating new law. The administration is doing the right thing by not ignoring the law and passing this to Congress.

 

Perhaps one of the most insular, incredible things that I've ever read on this forum. Please, demonstrate in the law how a President can legislate. We'll wait.

 

He tweeted last night that he'd revisit the issue if Congress doesn't act. I think he hopes they don't so he can come in and save the day.

Drama....

 

Wouldn't for these people have the easiest chance if they returned to their nation of origin for a couple of years then applied for entry to the US legally since currently they are not illegal immigrants officially they could do that, the ones in our armed forces should apply as any foreign national serving in the armed forces since there is this window of legality, it not like they came here of their own will and are illegal so they on paper have some options.

 

A president can't legislate on his or her own, Congress passes bills and they become law when the president signs them. A president CAN issue an executive order (your boy is on a record setting pace, issuing EO's at a rate twice over double that of Obama.....and doing so while his party has control of both houses of Congress.

Obama issued an executive order about the Dreamers in 2012, and implored Congress to come up with legislation....as of now they have passed nothing regarding this subject.

Now, back to your unbelievable statement after I mentioned "DACA has not yet been proven to be unconstitutional" please show the forum the court ruling saying Obama's DACA executive order is unconstitutional. We'll wait...........oh hell, I'll help you out - this has not been tested in court. It is more than possible Obama's EO would not survive but - it has yet to be tested. Anyone who says "it's unconstitutional" is not being honest......

 

you need to learn some history but the ignorance is expected. when the germans and swedes and norhovians settled the midwest the newspaper and schools were in whatever the immigrant language was. the potato famine refugees from ireland had what skills? the repression/oppression immigrants from places like Italy, germany and Norway had no skills. quit being right wing and get an education.

 

the only way trump can revisit the issue in 6 months if he needs to is with an EO. Trump is such a moron.

 

I agree that DACA will not likely survive a court challenge, which is why Obama implored Congress to come up with a legislative solution. Congress has not, as of now. Hopefully they will but the only way is for legislation on DACA only. If they try to come up with legislation on the entire immigration file, there is nowhere near enough time. Trump would likely issue an executive order to protect the Dreamers, as he mentioned in a tweet late yesterday afternoon.