"Day" in Genesis vs. "Day" in the NT...an Old Earth Creationist dilemma-

How do we get the half life of potassium? How do we know how much argon and potassium was there in the original sample when dating something? Could an original sample ever have been contaminated and we not know it?

 

An area the literalist doesn't like; but we are going to have to talk about symbolically. The crucifixion was rushed so that it could be carried out before the Sabbath. The Last Supper would have been Thursday, the Crucifixion took place on Friday and the Resurrection on Sunday only gives you two days. The numbers 3, 4, 7 and 12 are of importance as symbols and may have been applied for their symbolic value rather than an actual value. If a literalist can brush aside the difference between two and three days as easily as they do it should not be a problem to concede the day in creation may not have been 24 hours.

 

It was qualified that a day in the NT. Which implies a day in the OT can be just about anything. It all makes logical sense now. /sarcasm.

 

Context....and giving words any meaning you want. Why CAN'T I also claim that Jesus was only in the Tomb.....for three MINUTES? Jesus "dead" (comotose?) for a few minutes before being revived....is perfectly plausible.

If "yom" means what you want it to mean...I chose it to mean "minutes" and thus give credibility to what was claimed for Jesus....if denying it as miraculous.

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And again, notice....you always argue AGAINST any science that contradicts "creationism"....but never FOR any evidence that supports Bible literal creationism.

 

But is that three days as we count them or 3 days according to the Jewish calendar? I agree with you on your creation view, which is why I remain undecided on the issue.

 

On the first post I'll say, you can claim whatever you want, and it makes no difference to me. If you want to argue 3 minutes for the resurrection, then have at it........your views are not my cross to bear.

On the second post I'll ask you, did I argue for or against anything, or did I simply ask questions?

 

That's all you ever do. You don't defend any particular understanding of your faith. You have this deep unshakable belief, but you never seem to know what that belief is applied to.
That is an easy faith model to remain faithful to.

 

Oh my goodness........you disagree with me......what ever shall I do???

 

Just what you usually do.
Not address the issue and deflect away from discussing what is posted.
Exactly what is expected you would do.

 

I'm a steady rollin man...........

 

Nothing but.
At least you can admit to this inability to actually engage with people in a direct way.

 

inability?? doubtful. Its more of a response to you.

 

Hardly.
You give the same non-responses to everyone you engage with.
It's your well known modus operandi.

 

YOUR standard, elijah. "Yoms" mean anything you want if it fits the context you want to give it. So, realistically, Jesus could have been in the Tomb for three MINUTES before reviving, just as Jonah could have been in a whale shark (or something) for three MINUTES before being vomited out and making it to the surface alive.

Perfectly plausible, if rare occurances. And fits my context of REALITY not the supernatural being involved.

Do you EVER question Creationist 'Science'? Oh...wait...no. That would mean actually offering up some evidence or detailed theories on it to BE questioned, wouldn't it?

MUCH easier to just try to poke holes in carbon dating or fossils and then give a nod and a wink and say "We all know how it REALLY happened ,don't we?"

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Dang....nailed it.

 

Friday is day 1
Saturday is day 2
Sunday is day 3 - Jesus rose on day 3

Im having trouble understanding your confusion.

 

I am dyslexic having problems with all forms of communications, sorry.

Three days and three nights is specified making it the best time part of 72 hours. Three days may be involved; but no less than two or more than two and a half at the most.
Friday to Saturday was say one and Saturday to Sunday was day two. My OT professor and I spent a lot of time on this subject, outside of class as the lapsed time was a slight problem for him also. Think about Friday; only a couple of hours at most would have been involved as the rush was on to place the body in the tomb before the Sabbath. Think of time as it was for a Jew 2000 years ago. I sure am glad that the hotels I stay in for two nights don't use your way of counting days as my bills for a two night stay would have been a lot more expensive. Too count Friday the Crucifixion would have had to occur on Thursday. Friday to Saturday is 1 Saturday to Sunday is 2

 

The Jewish day starts at sundown, so he was in the tomb before sundown Friday - day 1.

Sundown Friday to sundown Saturday was day 2

Day 3 started at sundown Saturday, so by the time he rose, the 3rd day was already more than half over.

 

Thomask, on my question...

do you believe that the Earth, Sun, Moon, and stars, as well as life on Earth and Mankind were created in six days, a literal six days of 144 hours or 8640 minutes or 518,400 seconds?

 

Humans don't usually understand what "time" is. Time is not a stable physics unit. It can go unstable and beyond human understanding.

All human calculations are based on the assumption that planet earth is (and was) in its current position all the times. If earth was not created in this space but else where and was moved to its current space/position, say, on day 4 of the creation. How will you calculate its age. Moreover, if earth was ever moved out of time/space after its creation, how will you be able to keep track of its age. Your isotope numbers and even the half decay may not behave as you assume.

According to the Bible, God ever made time "frozen" during a war between Israel and its enemy.


The assumption that planet earth is in its current space/location all the times only stands under the assumption that God doesn't exist. Such an assumption may not stand if God exists.

 

Okay so unless we believe that Earth was "bounced around" in the space-time continuum like a ping-pong ball 6000-10000 years ago.....it works against the assumption of the existance of God?

 

I don't believe it is referring to 6 24 hour periods, but I do believe the text is literal.

Hebrew is a sophisticated language, much like modern languages.

 

You're just attempting to justify the use of "3 days and 3 nights". A little like trying to get 3 one dollar bills for two dollars and 1 cent in change.

 

Do you believe Jonah was in the belly of a great fish for three literal 24 hour period days?

 

Which verse are you referring to?

 

nobody knows what time is

The earth is constantly moving, so how is that?

a reason that no physical law or theory can ever be proven is that there is a possibility, however remote, that there could be an exception we never thought of or figured out.

As above; but, as all known data indicates none of this is the case, why bring it up, other than to say there is some 10 to the minus xxxxxxx... possibility of almost anything?

According to the bible there was a flood that in fact never happened.

The assumption that "god" does exist, AND, that its anything like you or anyone assumes it is, is a double assumption based on, yes, absolutely
zero data.

A double assumption based on nothing is pretty near a definition of worthless, wouldnt you say?