"Day" in Genesis vs. "Day" in the NT...an Old Earth Creationist dilemma-

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  1. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An open mind is one that is prepared to go beyond what it currently believes.
     
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    A long time ago people found it possible to make a one way valve, that
    allows something in but prevents what's there from falling out.
     
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    Not sure what you're saying. In this country we talk of 'reaching out' to new ideas etc.
     
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    Oh just responding to the suggestion that by being open minded one risks taking it so far as to be utterly credulous and ready to believe absolutely anything.

    That is of course true for our fundamentalist / creationist friends who, once they've swallowed the proverbial toad, taken the bible to be true, literal and inerrant then nothing is absurd any more. Nothing could be, if it seems in line with what the bible seems to say.

    That would the the 'brains falling out" bit.

    Our hero who expressed the idea is of course suggesting that he has
    found a correct balance of openness and skepticism, while its evident to all else that such is far from the case.
     
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    Give me SOME of the "questions of Genesis' authenticity" or any of the "points where it seems to falter" that you have EVER asked yourself.
     
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    So you now agree you have a closed mind, are not searching for truth but merely affirmation of your predetermined beliefs, and you're proud of it.
    That's fine. At least we can put your silly pronouncements of your open mindedness to bed. They have been revealed as a self-admitted untruth.
     
  7. elijah

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    I agree.
     
  8. elijah

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    Namely, the ones most people have already brought up on here.
     
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    I didn't say I was close minded, just that I can live with the accusation.
     
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    No, you have admitted many times that you will reject all evidence that challenges scripture. That is a closed mind.
     
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    I wont reject ideas that challenge scripture, I will only answer them.
     
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    You have often said that if something is in conflict with scripture you will reject it out of hand.
    Why the change now?
    Too embarrassing?
     
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    I explain it by looking up the Hebrew word for "made."
    It does not also imply created as it can in English.

    On the fourth Yom, God made or assigned as authority over the Sun the job of keeping solar time on earth.

    This clearly tells us that God was NOT previously referring to 7 earth days.




    `asah
    verb
    a primitive root
    1) to work, produce
    a) to act, act with effect, effect
    2) to make
    a) to attend to, put in order
    <b>b) to appoint, ordain, institute

    Gen. 1:14 And God, (The First Cause), said, Let there be (Sidereal Time), lights in the firmament of the heaven, (for the reason) to divide the (12 hour) day from the (12 hour) night; and let them be for (the purpose of) signs, (astronomical, symbolic references), and for (the purpose to designate) times, (the four seasons), and for (the 24 hour period to be called) days, (the "day" of 24 hours as distinguished from the days of long Eras), and years (of 365 day):

    Gen. 1:15 And let them be (time keepers) for (sources of) lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth (such that the Earth day might regulate the circadian rhythms of the new life forms which had just appeared): and it was so.
     
  14. Gorn Captain

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    But you contradicted and argued against all of those. So where's the evidence you ever questioned Creationism???

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    So how long was a "yom" in Genesis?

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    Won't your "answer" be...a "rejection" of those ideas???
     
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    By definition, a yom is always the necessary length of time to make sense from the context.

    For the earliest readers in ancient times that never understood as we know it to be today.
    The seven yoms were seven Geological durations over which time the History of the Earth, today, can be found as signified by events marked in the rocks:

    There WERE seven long Cosmic "days" since that Big Bang, which we call the geological Eras.



    1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day

    (This was a 9 billion year long duration until the formless matter of the Earth appeared and gradually record the History of the Earth in these rock layers):

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    2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day

    3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day

    4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day

    5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day

    6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day

    7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day
     
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    So a "day" or "yom"...is anything you want it to be?

    If so...given the word "yom" is used throughout the Old Testament for "day"....is there any way you could deny me the right of saying "Jonah stayed in the belly of the fish for 15,000,000 years"....without contradicting your theory?
     
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    He isnt rejecting the idea; just any possibility that it could be correct.
     
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    I said a day is a day. But I added more substantive topics that religious Atheist fundamentalists are incapable of wrapping their heads around.
     
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    Did I say I'd reject it?
     
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    Will I reject them? After I've resolved them.
    Of course I argued against them, because I saw the problem they presented, looked into the matter and resolved them. You haven't brought any question to Genesis, or scripture that I have already thought of or been presented with before.
     
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    If a "day is a day"...then by calculating the ages given in the Old Testament of the various "Holy Men and Prophets".....you'd come up with a ballpark figure of the time of Creation being about 6000 or so years ago, right?

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    "I wont reject ideas that challenge scripture, I will only answer them."...and in answering them...reject them, right?

    BTW, except for rejecting it, you haven't answered my question yet....you've been all over the place. Both leaning to "a day is a day" to "I don't know" to "Not sure on YEC or OEC"....but you won't pick ONE and stick to it...not even "I don't know" because after saying that you immediately flip to MORE debate over radio-carbon dating to try to disprove the age of the Earth, thus indicating you DO have an opinion on the age of the Earth....you just know you can't defend it scientifically or logically.
     
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    That is what the medieval church did, but they ignored the problem that 24 hour day wasn't made until God authorized the Sun to keep Solar Time.
    The first seven days then were not 24 hour Earth days.
     
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    except the sun doesn't give us our 24hr day. The rotation of the earth gives us the 24hr day. Approximately.
     
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    Right.
    The sun was made authority over the solar clock which ticks off seconds in accord with the rotation of the Earth.

    But God also made the Sidereal Clock which makes the Stars the time keeper there.
    And there is a Moon Calendar that depends upon the Moon, too.


    Gen. 1:14 And God, (The First Cause), said, Let there be (Sidereal Time), lights in the firmament of the heaven, (for the reason) to divide the (12 hour) day from the (12 hour) night; and let them be for (the purpose of) signs, (astronomical, symbolic references), and for (the purpose to designate) times, (the four seasons), and for (the 24 hour period to be called) days, (the "day" of 24 hours as distinguished from the days of long Eras), and years (of 365 day):
     
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    Yes! You did.
     

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