December 21 - the birthday of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin

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    December 21 marks 143 years since the birth of the great humanist and thinker, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.

    In this article, I have collected some quotes from great people about Stalin. Among the authors of quotes, there are people who can be suspected of bias (for example, the marshals of the Soviet Union), there are those who are difficult to suspect of this due to their lack of dependence on Stalin (for example, Churchill and Roosevelt), and there are also those who could not to have love for Stalin (Hitler, Ribbentrop, Müller). Those. the opinions presented are more than objective.

    Marshal of the Soviet Union A.M. Vasilevsky -

    "It is necessary to write the truth about Stalin as a military leader during the war years. He was not a military man, but he had a brilliant mind. He knew how to penetrate deeply into the essence of the matter and suggest military decisions"

    Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov -

    “Stalin dealt with strategic issues from the very beginning of the war. Strategy was close to his usual sphere of politics, and the more direct the impact of political issues were issues of strategy, the more confident he felt in them ... his mind and talent allowed him to master the operational art during the war so much that, calling the front commanders to him and talking with them on topics related to the conduct of operations, he proved himself to be a person who understands this no worse, and sometimes even better than his own. subordinates"

    Chiang Kai-shek

    "Stalin was the first among equals in the allied coalition. The post-war domestic and foreign policy of the Stalinist state is primarily due to Stalin's desire to strengthen the sovereign status of Russia, to ensure its global interests ..."

    Charles de Gaulle

    "The name of Stalin will forever remain associated with the memory of the great struggle that the peoples of the USSR, the French people and the allied peoples jointly brought to Victory."

    Winston Churchill

    Speech in the House of Commons on December 21, 1959, the day of Stalin's 80th birthday.
    “Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy and unbending willpower, sharp, cruel, merciless in conversation, to which even I, brought up here in the British Parliament, could not oppose anything. Stalin, above all, had a great sense of humor and sarcasm and the ability to accurately perceive thoughts. This power was so great in Stalin that he seemed unique among the leaders of states of all times and peoples.

    Herbert George Wells

    English writer and publicist. The author of famous science fiction novels "The Time Machine", "The Invisible Man", "The War of the Worlds", etc. He visited Russia three times, where he met with Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin.
    “I confess that I approached Stalin with some suspicion and prejudice. An image was created in my mind of a very cautious, self-centered fanatic, a despot, an envious, suspicious monopolizer of power. I expected to meet a ruthless, cruel doctrinaire and self-satisfied highlander, whose spirit never completely escaped from his native mountain valleys ... All vague rumors, all suspicions ceased to exist for me forever after I talked with him for a few minutes. I have never met a more sincere, decent and honest person; there is nothing dark and sinister about him, and it is precisely these qualities that should explain his enormous power in Russia.”

    Averell Harriman

    American industrialist, statesman and diplomat, from 1943 to 1946 the US Ambassador to the USSR.
    "Deep knowledge, a fantastic ability to delve into details, quickness of mind and an amazingly subtle understanding of human character ... I found him to be better informed than Roosevelt, more realistic than Churchill and in a certain sense the most effective of military leaders."

    Franklin Roosevelt

    The 32nd President of the United States, one of the central figures in world events in the first half of the 20th century, led the United States during the global economic crisis and World War II.
    From the book of the son of Elliot Roosevelt "His Eyes" M., 1947,
    “This man knows how to act,” Roosevelt told his son in 1943. “He always has a goal in front of his eyes. It is a pleasure to work with him. No roundabouts. He sets out the issue that he wants to discuss and does not deviate anywhere.”

    Heinrich Müller

    Head of the Secret State Police (IV Department of the RSHA) of Germany (1939-1945), SS Gruppenführer and Police Lieutenant General (1941)
    “Just think about what the system had to endure over the past two years, and what authority he enjoys in the eyes of the people. Stalin seems to me now in a completely different light. He stands unimaginably higher than all the leaders of the Western powers ...”

    Joachim von Ribbentrop

    German Foreign Minister (1938-1945), adviser to Adolf Hitler on foreign policy.
    Memoirs "Between London and Moscow".
    “From the very first moment of our meeting, Stalin made a strong impression on me: A man of extraordinary scale. His sober, almost dry, but so clear manner of expression and firm, but at the same time generous style of negotiating showed that he rightfully bears his surname. The course of my negotiations and conversations with Stalin gave me a clear idea of the strength and power of this man, one wave of his hand became an order for the most remote village, lost somewhere in the vast expanses of Russia - a man who managed to rally the two hundred million population of his empire stronger, than any king before."

    Adolf Gitler

    “And Stalin, of course, must also be treated with due respect. In his own way, he is simply a brilliant type. His ideal is Genghis Khan and his like, he knows literally everything about them, and his plans for economic development are so ambitious that only our four-year plans. And for me there is no doubt that in the USSR, unlike capitalist states, such as the United States, there are no unemployed."

    Such words were uttered by great historical figures about Comrade Stalin.

    Now tell us how microscopic and insignificant personalities relate to Comrade Stalin.
     
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    The NYT's Pulitzer Prize winner Walter Duranty deserves an honorable mention, at the very least. His Pulitzer has never been revoked. Wouldn't want to tarnish the NYT's halo.
     
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    Most people celebrate his death, not his birth.

    Of course Nazis said nice things about him while plotting a war against him. Its called 'pretending'.
     
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    The USSR would have had a better chance of survival if they had assassinated Stalin and let Trotsky run things.
     
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    Stalin was especially dangerous and very very effective in leadership because he brought a lot to the table. He was intelligent, tactically and strategically brilliant, and incredibly ruthless and tenacious when working to achieve his goals.

    He was, to coin a trumpian phrase, in many ways a much more 'stable genius' than his contemporary Hitler. The same attributes that were ascribed to him in your post full of quotes, do not in any way refute the simple truth that he was also an evil, utterly vicious and powerhungry stable genius.
     
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    Finally, you gave an exact definition of American and European politicians - "the Nazis who wanted to attack the USSR."
    I fully agree with you on this definition.
     
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    Your comment says that you know absolutely nothing.
    It was Trotsky who wanted world revolution. Comrade Stalin advocated the peaceful coexistence of two different political and economic systems.

    And under Comrade Stalin, the USSR from an economically backward country, became the second economy in the world and controlled half the world.
     
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    Stalin didn't care about communism.
     
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    The standard of living of the population of the USSR under Comrade Stalin increased several times.
    Under Comrade Stalin, 100% of the population of the USSR became literate, anyone could succeed (for example, the son of a peasant in a remote village could become the first comonaut, marshal, scientist, artist ...), there was no unemployment in the USSR. Free education and health care are the merit of Comrade Stalin.
    Any resident of the USSR could get housing for free.
    100% paid holidays, sick days - again the merit of Comrade Stalin.
    .... You can list the merits of Comrade Stalin endlessly. And I'm not talking about the victory in the most terrible war in the history of mankind under the command of Comrade Stalin, the industrialization of the USSR, the development of the Arctic, space ..etc.
    And you want to say that Comrade Stalin is an evil genius? Who, then, are the leaders of Western countries? - maniacs and sadists?
     
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    Didn't take long for the apologists to come out of the woodwork. 20 million killed in labor camps alone, thanks to ShitStain Stalin. What a guy.
     
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    And I am sure the trains ran on time, and the garbage was picked up regularly in Moscow. Glad to see we have a Stalinist hanging around PF to provide a broader ideological and international perspective. Every political chat site could use either a token Leninist, a Moaist, or Stalinist.
     
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    I see I'm not the only person who is familiar with Walter Duranty, and yes he deserves a dishonorable mention....

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    One of the most prolific mass murderers in human history, rivaled only by his fellow socialists Adolf Hitler and Mao Zedong.

    Evidently, some moral and intellectual pygmies consider that a feat worth celebrating. :boo:
     
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    It reminds me an old proverb - "No good deed goes unpunished".

    According to some sources, Lavrentiy Beria, Stalin's secret police chief helped Soso to escape the bonds of flesh and bone.
    And what was Beria's reword? He was arrested, tried for treason and other offenses, sentenced to death, and 2 days after Koba's death Beria was executed.
     
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    Why not 20 billion? Or better write - 20 trillion died in Stalin's camps. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    You don't have any proof anyway, so why not write about 20 trillion? :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Ahahaha....When you have nothing to say, do you always write a meaningless comment?
     
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    You still tell me how your grandfather was innocently repressed personally by Stalin. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    You obviously don't have any proof. So rock out to the fullest. Make people laugh. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    When I have nothing to say, I don't type or talk When I have nothing to say that I think you will like, I type it anyway. While I am refreshed and bemused reading the unique views of a Stalinist, I don't extend them sufficient respect to worry what one of them defines as a meaningful or meaningless comment.

    I used to listen to Radio Moscow in the late eighties on my long range ham radio when I was a young college student. What you type is quaint, predictable with an aroma of nostalgia for the good old days when Communist Russian propaganda provided some modest eye-rolling entertainment. Keep it up, Destroyer. Its weak tea you offer us that's really hard to find anymore, but with a very distinctive aroma I still like to get a whiff once in awhile.
     
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    December 22 is the birthday of the USSR, the first state in the world for a working man without exploitation of man by man.
     
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    Holy cow…. Stalin is one of the worlds most murderous and torturous leaders in history. Some even put his death count above Hitler. He starved the farmers of Ukraine. He tried to force collectivism and those who refused were forced to give up property, housing, and livelihood. They called it the Holodomor. I’m sure you’re aware of it. It resulted in millions of deaths by starvation
     
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    And of course you don't have any proof.
    By the way, many times I asked for proof of the "bloodthirstiness" of Comrade Stalin, but not once, not a single person was able to prove this.
    The maximum they give is a link to the story of the science fiction writer Solzhenitsyn (in his book "The Gulag Archipelago" it is directly indicated in the description - this is a fantastic story. This is indicated on the first page) or they give links to someone's opinion, which also has no evidence.
    They also give a link to Wikipedia, which also shows someone's opinion, which also gives links to someone else's opinion. And there is never any proof anywhere.
    By the way, the term "Holodomor" appeared in the mid-1980s. This is purely a propaganda concept.
    And yet, I can provide you with proof of the lies about Comrade Stalin. But you won't be able to show any proof. I'm sure of it.
     
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    Here is a quote from one of my favorite authors. He’s also well versed economist.

    “In theory, confiscating the wealth of the more successful people ought to make the rest of the society more prosperous. But when the Soviet Union confiscated the wealth of successful farmers, food became scarce. As many people died of starvation under Stalin in the 1930s as died in Hitler’s Holocaust in the 1940s.”

    ~Thomas Sowell~

    He has studied multiple economies and this is a factual happening. It’s far from fiction. But the state ran media you choose to give credit to will always paint this atrocity as a fiction.
     
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    More from Sowell

     
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    Can you give examples to prove that he was evil and utterly vicious?

    I won't argue about the fact that he was greedy for power. But probably all the politicians who got to the post of head of state are greedy for power? Otherwise they wouldn't have been there.
     
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    The situation is described as if Stalin was the perfect villain and misanthrope. Out of nothing to do, he decided to kill several million people because he didn't like them. ))

    In fact, the reasons for their death were as follows: Russia was a peasant country, but it was decided to make it industrial. This required workers. The Soviet government decided that it was necessary to reorganize agriculture and make large farms to increase productivity. Then people will be free to work in factories. But the peasants resisted these changes. They did not want to lose their farm and work in cooperatives. Therefore, it was necessary to resort to coercive measures, and the peasants sabotaged the new order in every possible way. This caused a decrease in the production of agricultural products, and government agencies demanded the receipt of goods in the same volume.
    As a result, most of the harvest was forcibly removed and very little of it remained in the villages. In addition, there was a drought in some areas this year, which deprived the population of these places of additional food sources. As a result, fleeing from hunger, people began to flee en masse to the cities and get jobs at new factories (which, in general, was what the Soviet government wanted). Indeed, several million people died, but not because the Russians wanted to destroy Ukrainians. There was famine in the RSFSR, for example, on the Don and on the Volga. And people were dying there too. Why didn't the authorities help the starving with food? I think it's about ideology. Then the official policy was class struggle. The peasants were seen as petty bourgeois who resisted the idea of socialism and therefore should be deprived of their property and even destroyed if they did not want to submit. Therefore, they were in no hurry to provide assistance.

    That's briefly what happened then. But Stalin did not act this way because he had villainous intentions. At that time there was such an ideology. The idea of building communism dominated everything and state structures were looking for ways to achieve this goal.
     

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