Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions; sex.
Your dictate that only one definition can exist and that you are the Grand emperor or God of language is utter trash. You can't have this discussion I don't know why you insist on responding.
Gender identity was made up by some guy named John Money. Cisgender, non-binary, gender-fluidity are recently made up words that aren't based on reality. I'm sorry that offends you...but you can stop responding to me...
I agree. Mostly so he could molest his under aged patients 100% of all language so words ever uttered are made up. It doesn't offend me. We mostly agree other then your view of divinity producing a magical language bestowed upon us by a higher being. So you are pudding arguing with somebody that in a sense agrees with you. What a waste of time. Do you have anything of any value to this conversation?
I think truth and reality are valuable additions to a conversation. If a person is born a woman she stays that way. No amount of mental massaging or plastic surgery will change her gender. Mind games and obtuse dialogue and meaningless made up labels won't either. I guess I should say...a person can choose to identify as a gender they want to be as opposed to what they are. But their gender is not changed. Just like I don't turn into a chair if I identify as a chair.
I'm talking about language though and how is used. I think you are distracting. I agree but this really isn't relevant. It's about what the word means. I heard your view. All labels ever to exist are all made up. We make up words to describe things. What I'm trying to figure out is what people are trying to describe when they refer to gender differently than the definition you posted. That's all. If you don't know or you aren't interested it's okay. If you want me to stop asking the questions I am, too bad. So outside of a synonym for sex which I accept as a definition of the word. What does it mean. I'm leaning toward nothing in fact that was what I thought when I started the thread. I'm giving people a chance to explain. It's okay if you reject it. I get it.
Sounds like harming somebody else. So no. No, but the point of making changes is in part to be treated as that gender, so it absolutely does relate to how they are treated and perceived. It has always been both. You pretend it has to be one or the other. It is both. Behaviors do not occur in a vacuum. If you were by yourself, there would be nobody to call you a him or her anyway. You just seem to be unable to get this. It’s like trying to explain to my late grandma why people are gay. But the point for trans is to appear to others as they feel inside. It’s not about being cared for by strangers. It’s about resolving the issue that they feel like they are a man trapped in a woman’s body or vice versa. I figured as much, which is why I find your opposition to non-binary/trans so ironic. You know what it’s like to be treated badly when you’re not harming anybody, yet you want to do the same to those different to you. Depends on context. If I work with a Christian, I can’t ridicule them for the cross on their neck. If I work with somebody from China who wants me to use their real name I am expected to try. If I work with somebody who has pronouns, same thing. you get fired, or they look for a reason to fire you because of acting like an ass for no good reason (not using foreign names or pronouns properly, calling out religious people for being delusional) Sure the desire to be that gender is fundamental, but actually being that gender involves interactions with others as that gender according to culture
so you're transphobic and you believe my gender identity harms you? What is it I'm always told it doesn't hurt you at all. By not recognizing my pronouns you are harming me. that doesn't make any sense. You said earlier that gender is based on cultural roles. So what changes do you have to make? Wear a dress and lipstick if you're male? And you can't do that if you're not trans? I think what you're talking about is looking more like the opposite sex. My intention is to better understand this nuance regarding gender. If it's just a synonym for sex then just say it. It's but possible that it's both they are incompatible. You either know your "gender identity" whatever that is or is dictated by society. It can't be both. My mind is open that's why I started the thread. But yeah I don't get it. You know that? I realized I was gay when I was 13 and I never figured out why. Can you explain that it will it be like this? What does that mean appear to others? Like femboys, traps and kitty boys? But they aren't trans. That doesn't make sense wanting to look like the opposite sex is about sex not gender unless gender is just a synonym for sex. Are tomboys transgender even if they don't identify as men? ??? So it's strictly about sex and not gender. A"man's body" is male is it not? Where did gender come into this? What opposition to trans? I can't be opposed to "non binary because I have no idea what that means. not sure why you are posting this. Questioning isn't treating anybody badly and I absolutely do not support treating anybody better so no that's false. I'm not doing anything to those different than me. Why would say that? I wouldn't really feel anybody I worked with for anything why would I why does that enter your mind? Why do you think you're fighting against something here? I disagree with you but I open the change my mind. agreed but the pronoun has to make linguistic sense that means there is no day in them for a single person. I can't refer to someone as they and have it make sense. She is the accountant but she is the accountant they is the accountant is messed up English and requesting that of me is not appropriate. again this isn't something you have to tell me I don't know why this is even in your head. I'm not talking about being rude to anybody you got that idea from. What does be that gender mean? What does it mean to be a gender? Isn't that just whatever you identify as? Why do others come into it at all? I'm not understanding this because it sounds like sometimes you're talking about sex and sometimes you're talking about some nebulous idea that can't be quantified. If I don't know what this means and honestly don't that's why I'm asking. I stand by my position so far that gender doesn't exist it's just a synonym for sex because that seems to be predominantly what you're talking about. Trans woman wants to be seen that's all female a trans man wants to be seen as a male. If we're talking about gender as being a synonym for sex that I understand the thing I don't get is that it's not and you're not making a really good case for it.
That's because if you identify as a chair, then you have always been a chair. Don't you follow the science?
Thats "sex". Like on a birth certificate there is no space to identify "gender" only sex. Gender until some years ago used to mean male or female sex. Now it is pretty much meaningless other than as an aspect of a mental disorder.
It's the conclusion I'm coming to I asked people to define it but they couldn't. One person tried and they kept going back and forth on its the same as sex or it's some cultural thing that they couldn't explain.
Its become meaningless. If the gender fluid can be a man on Monday, a woman on Tuesday and neither on Wednesday, it has become meaningless other than to describe what is occurring among those with a mental disorder.
Well I've come to the conclusion that this concept of gender (because the word can be used as a synonym for sex) is ideological. All I do is simply reject the ideology or manipulate it to my advantage.
