Democratic Party's record on Race >>MOD EDIT<<

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  1. SFJEFF

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    The issue regarding abortion was resolved and the bill passed, restoring civil rights passed before, but overturned by a court decision.

    And Republican President Ronald Reagan vetoed this Civil Rights legislation, but his veto was overturned by a vote of over 2/3 of the House and Senate.

    A fine example of Republican dedication to Civil Rights.
     
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    The Democratic Party was the party of the racist Slave Holding Confederacy.

    Agree or disagree? After all you have done extensive research on the Democratic Party- you should be well aware of this.

    So- agree or disagree- the Democratic Party was the party of the racist Slave holding Confederacy?
     
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    You are confusing the two.

    The 1964 Civil Rights Act was the landmark Civil Rights legislation that was proposed by Democratic President John Kennedy, introduced into legislation by Democrats, pushed through by Democratic President Lyndon Johnson, and signed by Democratic Lyndon Johnson. Passed with a majority of Democratic votes.

    Democrats- all from the South- and the 1 Republican from the South- all opposed the act. As I have said multiple times- it is accurate to say that Democrats were both responsible for the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and Democrats also were the opposition to the bill.

    The 1968 Civil Rights act was another Democratic introduced Civil Rights legislation
     
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    Introduced by Democrats, signed by a Democratic President.

    You asked:

    I was really asking what have democrats done to improve the lives of black Americans in the last 50 years?

    I have provided multiple examples of just that.

    I think that you just are incapable of actually acknowledging anything done by any Democrats.

    Those are thick partisan goggles.
     
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    Yeah.....
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx

    PRINCETON, NJ -- Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 89% of Republican self-identifiers nationwide in 2012, while accounting for 70% of independents and 60% of Democrats. Over one-fifth of Democrats (22%) were black, while 16% of independents were Hispanic.

    African American R: 2% D 60%
    Hispanic R 6% D 13%
    Asian R 1% D 2%
    White R 89% D 60%

    "Popular among people of all races"-not as popular as the Democratic Party. The numbers show that African Americans in particular avoid the Republican Party.

    The Republican Party is popular among Southern whites. And very unpopular among Southern African Americans. Just 2% of Republican primary voters in the South were African American.
     
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    But that reality isn't the story that PN wants to tell.

    The voting in the 1964 Civil Rights Act demonstrates your point very well- essentially all Southern legislators- regardless of party voted against it, while the Democrats outside of the South voted overwhelmingly for it.

    Essentially the South voted against the Civil Rights Act. Now in the South- white vote largely Republican, while African Americans vote increasingly Democratic.
     
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    Took 100 years to get the Dems to come around to the Republicans side of things. Quite an accomplishment wouldn't you say?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Unfortunately Dems have substituted one kind of slavery for another, slavery to the State.
     
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    Seems to me it really doesn't matter Democratic or Republican back in that time, the difference was the North/South idealogy. Today the same idealogy is shown as the Republican/Democratic platforms.

    The current Democratic party is what the Northern idealogy was, and the current Republican party is what the Southern idealogy was.



     
  9. PatriotNews

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    Well, that is not exactly accurate. I have demonstrated in this thread the racism that took place against blacks in Northern, Western and Midwestern states, mostly in cities controlled by liberal democrats such as CCR's and the like. To imply that only Southerners were racist is just not factual. Also to imply that racism is a prescription of one ideology or another is misleading. The democrat party has always been the progressive party, but were also the ones opposed to civil rights laws, anti-lynching laws, anti-voting laws while instituting the CCR's, Jim Crow Laws and segregation laws. I have also shown that a number of democrat politicians were liberals, both Northerners and Southerners.

    Because it is not a reality. While I'm glad that the Civil Rights Act did finally pass, it was only after 60 years of democrat dominance of both houses of congress. Nothing was done prior to that, was it? How come?

    The current differences between the democrats and republicans both regionally and racially is not due to racial factors as much as it is due to their differences in their political policies. The socialist/progressive/liberal policies of the democrats have become more popular in the Northern, Western and Midwestern states. They have become increasingly popular in the black community as well due to the influences of their leadership starting with W. E. B. DuBois and the NAACP.

    So why did many blacks vote for racist democrat Southern politicians? The answer is because DuBois was a socialist and even though the democrats were responsible for many of the very same civil rights abuses being committed, those issues took a back seat to his socialist ideologies. As I have already demonstrated in this thread, the NAACP would give endorsements to racist democrats like George Wallace. Back then as now, people are lead to believe that republicans are for the rich and democrats are for the poor. I still have people tell me that. It's true in a sense. The more people are kept poor, the more poor there are to vote democrat who believe this lie. They are also mislead to believe that republicans are the racist party, which I have seen very little evidence presented to prove this.
     
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    Well this was not a civil rights issue as it relates to racism, but rather sexism and ageism. I am not really familiar with this particular piece of legislation, but it seems to me there was an obvious issue regarding abortion which was not fixed to Reagan's satisfaction.
     
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    Yes.. When the democrats have nothing to say about how bad Obama is running the country and when some one calls Obama out the Democrats say because he is black. I would say it is the dem's that are racist.
     
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    Again, I'm talking about a person. Nobody has yet to name a living Democrat politician who is racist in this thread. Why is that?

    I can name many racists Republican politicians who are alive today.

    Since there are supposedly millions of racists Democrats, surely it should be easy to find just one.
     
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    Obama is racist You know about the church he went and his mentor How could you think Obama is not racist?
     
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    All of what you posted is true. I am not denying that. I will point out the lie by omission. The NAACP neglects to mention that democrats were more opposed to the legislation than the republicans, who were mostly in favor of it.

    I didn't say that it was "too late", but rather "about time." Once again I must point out that to describe it as a democrat accomplishment is altogether misleading as it was something that was supported by republicans in higher percentages as well as supported by republicans for many, many more decades. The lack of further accomplishments by the democrats says volumes. I can demonstrate more democrat policies that have been harmful to the African American community in the last 50 years than you can demonstrate of policies that are beneficial to them.
    Absolutely. Agree.
    I applaud you for your effort. You have mention a few things. You have accomplished more than any other poster so far. But we both know that the policies of democrats have been extremely detrimental to the African American community in the last 50 years. It is time we face that reality and fix it.
    I never claimed the republican party was more popular, but to attempt to paint the party as a white only party is disingenuous to say the least. I have no doubt that the democrat party's divisive race baiting multi-cultural policies and rhetoric is to blame for much of the racial animosity of the past 50 years. America used to welcome immigrants from many nations to join in the melting pot of American culture of freedom and opportunity. The democrats emphasis on multi-culturalism and division of races and disdain of European American immigrants are all part of their plans to remain in power by appealing to socialist policies of third world immigrants and the Balkanization of America for their political gain.
     
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    I responded to you earlier with 4 people, but I'm sure that I can find many more examples.
     
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    Michele Obama, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Harry Reid?

    Is this a joke? None of them are racists. Sorry?

    Now how about you provide the name one, just one, living Democrat racist politician.

    Or how about we just end this hear.... because you can't. You also can't provide proof that Michele Obama, Barack Obama, Joe Biden or Harry Reid are racist other than some vague quotes that you'll twist into something unarguably racist.

    In short, you ain't go nothin'
     
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    I know about Wright and how Obama disavowed him. How does this prove that Obama is a racist?

    Reeeaching pretty far there.

    Racism is about your beliefs and values.
     
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    Why do you think Obama did that after so many years? Because he racist and Obama wanted everyone to think he was not. Just another Obama lie..
     
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    Your opinion is not proof.

    I'd like to see proof.
     
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    Gee, normally, direct quotes are considered empirical evidence. I guess for you, if the quotes come from somebody with a "(D)" behind their name it has to have been a vague quote that I somehow twisted into something unarguably racist. Therefore, in spite of such evidence we must therefore give them a pass. I somehow doubt you will defend a republican using similar logic.

    If you want to read those vague quotes all you need to do is read this thread as I have already posted them. I am not interested in reposting them again because I hate being redundant.
     
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    When you provide proof that Obama is not racist. I will provide proof that he is..
     
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    Took 100 years to get the Dems to come around to the Republicans side of things. Quite an accomplishment wouldn't you say?
     
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    What part of my statement is not reality?

    The voting in the 1964 Civil Rights Act demonstrates your point very well- essentially all Southern legislators- regardless of party voted against it, while the Democrats outside of the South voted overwhelmingly for it.

    Essentially the South voted against the Civil Rights Act. Now in the South- white vote largely Republican, while African Americans vote increasingly Democratic.

    Specifically- what is not reality in what I said? I can provide citations to show that each of my statements is accurate, so bring yours to the game if you want to play.
     
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    Really? You think its not a Civil Rights issue if it is about discrimination against women because of their gender?

    Bottom line- Democrat Johnson signs Civil Rights legislation.

    Republican Reagan vetoes Civil Rights legislation.

    Echoing the shift from the Republicans to the Democrats when it comes to Civil Rights.
     
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    Because it is not the reality of racism in America at all. Sure, there was racism in the South, and it was much worse than the North, the West, and the Midwestern states. But there was racism in all states, make no mistake about that, by people of all political persuasions. I think you people are kidding yourselves if you belief that racism only existed in the South.

    This thread is not about gender discrimination, it is about the democrat party's history of racism. Portraying Reagan's veto of a civil rights legislation dealing with gender discrimination is not proof that the republicans have taken the mantle of racism from the democrats.
     

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