DeSantis administration revokes Hyatt Regency alcohol license for hosting 'A Drag Queen Christmas'

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    "lascivious exhibition" doesn't have anything to do with liquor license. Masturbating or showing your genitals aka "lascivious exhibition" to children under 16 is against the law as is, but that is not what happened at these events. If the show qualified as lascivious exhibition then it would have been prosecuted in the courts, not at the Governors mansion. Trying to re-define terms is what authoritarians always do in order to impose their will on others.
     
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    And you progressives are not noticing that parents are taking children to such disgusting filth to begin with. Really says something about where progressive priorities lay it
     
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    How do you figure they don't notice it, when the discussion revolves around it.

    You see the government intervention as the only solution to everything, but you fail to see the government isn't going to fix parenting, not the mention the government isn't even going after the parents, they are going after the businesses. How is the government going to stop the parents from watching such shows on TV with their kids?
     
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    There is a reason why movies are rated so why not shows or is that also too authoritarian for you?
     
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    Let me know when families are told what to do in their own home.
     
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    Not at all, and these shows were in fact rated. If you are a kid who wants to see 'R' rated movie they can do so with an accompanying parent or guardian, and same is true with these shows. Its up to the parent to decide.

    So, its ok to to watch these shows at home, but not outside the home? That being the case, it becomes clear it have nothing to do with "protecting the child", and all about pandering to political base.
     
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    as venues with minors present often serve alcohol... just not to children, one does have to wonder
     
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    Nothing quite like watching Big Brother government in action, right?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Public places where anyone can see something is not the same as in the privacy of one's home.
     
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    Children seem to have too much say today. Many parents would rather be their friend because parenting is too difficult.
     
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    Public place, where you have to buy a ticket and be there with an accompanying parent or guardian.

    If it was about 'protecting the children' then clearly they would crack down on it everywhere, not only at one show.

    Its always a red flag when politicians push agenda and claim 'its for the children'. Its an ancient trick, and its surprising people still fall for it.
     
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    I am 50/50 on this one as we do not know the entire events that took place based off of a 20 second video. If someone can post the entire show and if the men did expose themselves or simulate sexual acts in any way or form, then the revocation should be enforced. If not, then Regency should sue for discrimination.

    Because, children are not allowed in regular strip clubs even with a parent, thus if these queens exposed themselves or simulated a sex act in any way, shape or form, then the revocation should be justified.
     
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    Well, there is a specific legal definition for crimes, so its not as simple as "simulated a sex act in any way, shape or form". "Lascivious exhibition" = Masturbating or showing genitals. If that is what happened, then it would be prosecuted in the courts, not at the Governors mansion. Will the hotel sure? Most likely they will, and they'll get their license back, because this has nothing to do with liquor licenses.
     
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    I am sure they will get their license back after paying fines or whatnot if what happened is true.
     
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    I dont think there are any fines, because they were never tried in court, or found guilty of anything. They were punished by the the Governors office.
     
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    Easy for you or myself to guess what will happen, yet we will have to wait and see what the end result is after an investigation. If there were perverse acts with alcohol being served like in a regular strip club, then there is nothing the hotel can do about losing its license. Lesson is that children should not be exposed to perverts intending to dance sexually in front of Children. Only if this is true, Child Protective Services should be called on the parents who forced their children to attend a show with perverts.
     
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    This is something they monitor. Look at it this way... imagine this is a strip club. And, to make money, they decide to advertise that adults can bring their kids inside, and they'll sell the adults alcohol while they hang out in the club. And then agents catch the club selling alcohol to adults partying with a bunch of children. That would be a violation of the terms of a liquor license. They can suspend or pull your license for that. There's usually an appeals process, but selling alcohol is a privilege and not a right in the state of Florida.
     
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    No. Practically all restaurants in Florida sell alcohol, including family friendly ones like Applebee's, so that is not against the law to serve alcohol to adults when kids are present. Strip clubs have age limits for entry, aka kids cannot enter with, or without an adult because many clubs have fully nude dancers.
     
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    Again you need to decide whether this is a serving alcohol with children present or they are being punished for breaking a lewdness law. Those things are not the same. For example a restaurant like Hooters can serve alcohol to adults at a table even with minors present. If it is about breaking a law, then Lewdness is a misdemeanor and should be handled by a judge in a court, not by some alcohol board. Just as I do not think a business alcohol license should be suspended if they are suspected of tax fraud.

    Look here is a current event example. Should they be able to suspend Mar a Lago's alcohol license because of the raid and Trump has been suspected of committed a crime of improperly storing classified documents. Even if Trump was convicted it would be ridiculous to take away the license because Mar a Lago did not violate their regulations on selling alcohol. We have courts so that the proper punishment can be dealt out. In your example someone accused of lewdness, (without conviction), can have their liquor license suspended. Can the health board close down their restaurant too? Can the fire Marshall come and shut down the hotel?
     
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    There are laws against certain "types" of establishments in accordance with State Law. Never in my life has anyone ever stated a strip club has the same rules as a restaurant. Thus, if the Hotel acted like a strip club, then they would have to get a license to do so and all patrons must be over 18. It is truly that simple. Basically, the Hotel possibly broke legal laws in allowing this to happen.

    • Age Requirements - Most ordinances require patrons and employees to be 18 and older; 21 if alcohol is served
    • Nudity Rules - Some localities allow full nudity, others require nipples and genitals to be covered, and some allow full nudity only if alcohol is not served
    • Contact with Patrons - Some clubs allow "lap dancing," or some form of limited contact, while others have strict distance requirements between patrons and dancers
    • Licensing - Exotic dancers in Detroit, Mich., for example, must pay an annual fee to be licensed and also must pass a background check
    https://www.findlaw.com/smallbusine...t ordinances require,if alcohol is not served
     
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    It was not a strip show, so I don't see how the hotel could have broken those laws and what it has to do with liquor license. What's the point of arguing the show was something it was not? It turns the discussion into a waste of time.

    Time will tell how the hotel handles it, or how other hotels / restaurants avoid being put put of business my the morality police in Tallahassee.
     
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    It turns out that the show did not even take place at the hotel, but at a place which is only affiliated with it, but managed by a 3rd party. Either way, as of today the hotel is still selling booze
     
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    If by chance during the investigation there is any form of sexually dancing or exposing of genitals in front of children, then the hotel was allowing strip club activity and has broken a few laws. It may be hard to believe by those on the extreme left who think that children should be exposed to perverts and that this is normal behavior.

    If buy chance there was illegal activity at this event as in explicit Sexual dancing or nudity in any form, then Child Protective Services goes after the parents next.
     
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    Its because any organization that would expose children to such things is obviously made up of out of control drunks.
     
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    This is not a binary option (lame pun?). It is possible that both can be true at the same time. I'm not sure why people think it's a gotcha to separate the two. You can't serve alcohol with children present during adult-themed performances. Having lewd performances for adults is not the same as having lewd performances for children. You can't unlink the two in this situation since that is what the complaint is about. The Department of Business and Professional Regulation says they received multiple complaints that the establishment had a sexually explicit performance that they marketed to children. That is a violation of their liquor license since they were selling alcohol with the children present at such an event. They are accused of performing a "tits in a box" and other such "lewd dances" for children.

     
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