DeSantis Signs Law: Up To 1.5 Million Florida Condo Owners Could Be Forced to Move

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  1. Jakob

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    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rA2PtzhSQww
    Is that true?
     
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    Surfside condo collapse investigators provide key insights into possible cause of the disaster. Here are the top takeaways | CNN

    Sometimes people are so partisan just will always disagree with something just because the opposing camp passed the law.

    A critical defect is a structural defect which can cause collapse which is why the bill targets buildings with 3 stories or more. Many of these condos will be rented as Air bnb's to people who wouldn't be able to determine ahead of time that the condo was a death trap. Why anyone would be opposed to a governor condemning buildings which are death traps is beyond me. They must really like their party a lot or have some personal beef against the governor. Some condos I'm sure could be repaired, but the repairs must happen or the property needs to be condemned. Multi-story condos need to be inspected for safety and maintained. And yes, someone other than the state should pay for that.

    This isn't rocket science people. People should fix their own condo and pay for so that it's not a death trap.
     
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    Maybe she thought that in God's own country, the land of he free and the home of the brave it would be allowed to buy and install locks for her own house.

    Tell me, if I'm wrong.
     
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    Champlain Tower collapse could not be prevented by the normal maintenance.
    If the maintenance essentially required to rebuild the whole building it is not the maintenance it is construction failure.
     
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    These buildings were only designed to last 20-30 years according to your article and all it does is force them to maintain an aging building for the safety of the residents. I’m not sure how this is a bad thing given the collapse they recently had.
     
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    You're also free to make contracts and suffer the consequences of those contracts.

    If she was forced into an HOA, I would support her completely. However, she and other keep joining these silly things and that's the consequence. She entered a contract she now has to abide by.

    If you want a discussion of how contract law should be reformed and people should not be able to lose any civil rights due to signing a contract, I'm all in.

    We can start with removing forced mediation.
     
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    False.

    Collapsed Building Near Miami Had Serious Concrete Damage - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    "The engineer’s report helped shape plans for a multimillion-dollar repair project that was set to get underway soon — more than two and a half years after the building managers were warned — but the building suffered a catastrophic collapse in the middle of the night on Thursday, crushing sleeping residents in a massive heap of debris.

    The complex’s management association had disclosed some of the problems in the wake of the collapse, but it was not until city officials released the 2018 report late Friday that the full nature of the concrete and rebar damage — most of it probably caused by persistent water leaks and years of exposure to the corrosive salt air along the South Florida coast — became chillingly apparent."

    1. They did not maintain the building to prevent salt water damage.
    2. They did not repair persistent water leaks.
    3. They delayed 2.5 years before starting the repairs caused by the lack of maintenance in 1 & 2.

    Regardless, if a building is unsafe, it needs to be condemned.

    All buildings need maintenance to remain standing.
     
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    No, ANY building is designed to last more than 20-30 yrs. Heck, a 20 yr house is considered practically new.
     
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    Not from what your article says. What would people rather do? Wait for another collapse? Have government fix them? What’s the alternative?
     
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    I think it would have made sense to create a law which would give people time to catch up. Forcing people to come up with $134 000 to pay for assessment per unit is not reasonable.
     
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    I didn’t catch that part. Where did it say it would cost that much for an assessment?
     
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    Is there no amendment that protects ownerships and properties? In old Europe the own flat or house, one's home, do weight more than contracts. Habeas corpus not only against the gopvernment, but also against privat companies,

    Well, my English is limited...
     
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    This is a simplified version: In the U.S., you can sign away all of your civil rights through contracts. Purchasing a home in an HOA enters you into a contract.

    HumancentIpad is an episode on South Park which describes the problem.

    The U.S. constitution limits the government. However, if you sign a contract with someone including the government, you can relinquish your civil liberties. For example, contracts involving the renting of furniture sometimes allow the company to enter your home and take the furniture back.

    In the U.S., you need to be careful about what contracts you sign or else you may find yourself in indentured servitude. Millions in the U.S. sign contracts of indentured servitude in order to gain employment.

    Most of these laws vary from state to state.
     
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    it's all over the local news down here in South Florida. Of course the $134 400 is an example of the worst, but many will face huge bills less that that
     
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    They should have given more time. But I’m not so sure that would have affected anything any differently. Housing right now isn’t cheap for anyone and repairs (even in condos) should be expected in any privately owned dwelling. I do feel for the government force to adhere but that is in almost any industry. It’s obviously built around safety and that’s their excuse.
     
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    If we are talking about the building in Florida that collapsed because of the pool leak, yes, actually doing maintenance so the roof top pool wasn't leaking for years would have prevented the collapse.
     
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    Yes, the building was faulty, poorly constructed. That is why it has collapsed.
    Now every condo owner in Florida is guilty, even though this collapse has nothing to do with good or bad maintenance.
    DeSantis and legislature just selected scape goats. easy target, retired people who cannot defend themselves.

    Because of design flaws, investigators say water from the deck constantly seeped into the garage area under the pool, helping corrode reinforcing steel in the support columns. But Glenn Bell, NIST's co-lead investigator, says videos also show there was movement in the tower structure itself before the collapse.
    https://www.npr.org/2024/03/08/1236628075/surfside-florida-champlain-towers-south-condo-collapse-cause#:~:text=Because of design flaws, investigators,structure itself before the collapse.
     
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    The time is not that important, what is important is replace this unfair law with something more meaningful.
    E.g.
    1. stop any condo construction.
    2. appoint some kind of special commission to determine best practices to build condos.
    3. appoint special engineering team that would examine every condo FOR FREE and present their finding to the commission.
    4. If condo is unsafe then compensate owners with e.g. 80% of the market value, and sell it to developers for demolition.
     
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    Now why should the tax payer be held responsible for someone’s poor choices or lack of maintenance?
     
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    For exactly the same reason everyone is paying for road construction and road safety.
    There is no evidence that Champlain Tower has collapsed due to poor maintenance.
    Why in the world owners of the other condos should be paying extraordinary prices for the government imposed maintenance?
    There are thousands of condos in Florida that have no maintenance at all and they stand firm.
    In my opinion they just targeting retirees to force them out and then sell their land to the developers.
    It is all about money and corruption.
     
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    Well, yes, if the project was multi-million dollars i.e. literally the cost of new condo, that basically means that building was poorly constructed.
    Now it is a government job to investigate why that building has been constructed poorly.
    It is the government that allows developers to build condos, so the government should be accountable, not poor retirees.
    I totally support condemnation of the bad buildings, but I can't support selective punishment.
     
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    Those are privately owned buildings. Roads are public. Way different and goes to show that people are expecting too much of government and not as much of themselves. Should the government pay for my housing repairs as well?
     
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    Cars and trucks are private, and we all are paying for the safety from our taxes to protect private cars.
    Same thing is here, if government (people) wants safe infrastructure it should spend money, or implement special construction laws, or do something that make buildings safer. Forcing retirees to spend extra money for something that is not going to change anything is just kind of political grandstanding and attempt to find scapegoats.
    Actually government pays for housing repairs after natural disasters. Government of course should not pay for wear and tear of the building.
    In my opinion, anything that is outside of the frame of the building i.e. drywalls, elevators backyards etc. should be paid by HOA.
    However, if something is found in the concrete or the frame, then it is government job to condemn the building and replace it, or sue the developers.
     
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    I also think that this law will turn Florida into blue state.
    Overwhelming majority of voters live in the South Florida where concentration of condos is the highest.
    https://mirror2.polsri.ac.id/wiki/images/891/89155.png.htm
    People will be very angry and they are going to vote accordingly
     
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