DeSantis Signs Law: Up To 1.5 Million Florida Condo Owners Could Be Forced to Move

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  1. Bob Newhart

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    First, the highest price listed was $134,000. Condos cost more than that. Sometimes, much more than that. Poor maintenance caused by owners not paying attention can easily lead to multi-million dollar repairs.
    No, the government makes sure the building was constructed to code. If it was, "poorly" is simply an uneducated person's opinion.
    No. Condos in the U.S. do not necessarily need government approval to be built.

    The government is a sovereign entity and is never held accountable unless it wants to be.

    The "retirees" should have inspected the product they were purchasing before their purchase. The U.S. is not a nanny state.

    This is basic civics.
    This is not punishment. This is living with the results of decisions. I suggest people not smoke marijuana and go on an LCD trip before buying a condo.
     
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    Describe how it was not built to code.
     
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    Yes, in case of Champlain Towers government has failed to make sure that building is safe, or may be government codes are faulty.
    That is exactly what we are talking here.
    Yes, government is not accountable, that is why people are trying to force government out of office.
    How in the world retiree can inspect their product if steel, concrete and wood is covered with tiles, drywalls and paint.
     
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    It is neither my job nor my education. Any person with a sound mind can understand: if a building has collapsed, it is not because of insufficient maintenance. The owners are not responsible for fixing faulty buildings.
     
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    Thank you for admitting you have no idea what you're talking about.

    I however do have the education to understand this. And anyone with such an education knows that buildings collapse all the time due to poor maintenance.

    Old buildings are at risk of collapse. Here's how to keep them safe. (fastcompany.com)
     
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    They fell because of improper maintenance by the residents.
    First, they hire an inspector who knows how to inspect a property. They don't cheap out on the inspector they hire or fail to hire one altogether.

    Next, none of what you're talking about prevents inspections of the structural stability.
     
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    Quite the contrary
    https://www.npr.org/2024/03/08/1236628075/surfside-florida-champlain-towers-south-condo-collapse-cause#:~:text=Because of design flaws, investigators,structure itself before the collapse.

    That is more then enough to be educated on the topic. Simple things do not require higher education.

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    Why bother to read your own article.
    Federal investigators in a 2023 preliminary report found that the original design of the pool deck did not follow building standards.
     
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  8. Joe knows

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    These are privately owned buildings… they are not a government function to maintain. Are you understanding the difference here? You think just because it’s a building with public access it’s a government function? They are not forcing anyone to do anything other than maintain safety just as car inspections force you to change your break pads. They should enforce laws to make them do the repairs. But the government should never be on the hook for repairs on privately owned property.
     
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    You’re welcome to read it too.

    “In addition, because of added weight from planters added to the pool area years later, the deck and columns were subjected to more stress than they were designed for.”

    User error. Planters were not part of the design of the original building.

    Also,

    “It was inspected and certified safe by the building's engineer at the time.”

    You also have someone to sue - the building’s engineer.

    Regardless, the government is not at fault. You just want everyone else to have to pay for it.

    The residents knew that the building was deteriorating and was 40 years old. They had the option of fixing the problem. They chose to delay for two and a half years.

    If a car has a design defect which causes a vehicle to break down after 100,000 miles, should the “government” - everyone else have to pay for it?

    You want to force everyone to pay for the mistakes of a few people.
     
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    Safety is a responsibility of the government. If government does not care about safety, then they have no business to tell condo owners how to live their lives.
    I also wonder, why people who live in the wooden houses expect government assistance after hurricane destroy their homes.
     
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    No one is talking about government maintenance. Government should establish new safety rules instead of punishing so many people with no reason.
     
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    Government tells me how to maintain my car safely and forces it. They also force safe living at housing and in many cities they even force cleanliness. That doesn’t mean tax dollars pay for any of that. Private condos is the same as owning a private home. You have maintenance standards. By your logic government should pay for all car private car maintenance as well. They are even on public roads. Do you believe taxpayers should be repairing everyone’s car?
     
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    I believe that the government should not implement draconian laws targeting people who have nothing to do with a disaster at the Champlain tower. If the law is about safety, then everyone should contribute to safety. The law should be applied universally, i.e., everyone should pay for potential damage, not just condo owners.
    For example, single-family homes in Florida, made of wood, get damaged much more than condos made of steel and concrete when hurricane hit.
     
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    Building inspectors do work for the government, and they said the building was in "good shape".

    Now there are people who owe over $200 000 to catch up with the reserves, and if they don't have the money, the HOA can foreclose on the property.
     
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    My cars brakes are about safety, so is any other integrity in my car to operate safely. Should the tax payer pay for those?
     
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    Wonder how all those coal plants felt when they were forced to change for the sake of safety. Or al the mines or oil fields were forced to change in the name of safety. I thought the left always wanted more government. Should the tax payer pay for their forced government changes?
     
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    The left? We're talking about DeSantis here.
     
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    The Poison Pill Facing Florida Condo Owners
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/poison-pill-facing-florida-condo-151700886.html

    Imagine being a property owner in a condominium who is humming along paying the mortgage and then getting a letter from your homeowner's association (HOA) informing you of a six-figure assessment. Now imagine that you don't have the money, but under the HOA rules, failing to pay the assessment means losing your unit via foreclosure.

    That's coming at a time when the insurance the owners carry on their own units is becoming progressively more expensive. Seventy-nine-year-old Howard Konetz is a condominium owner in Aventura, Florida, living out this nightmare. In a recent interview with Jeffrey Weinsier, an investigative reporter for Local 10 news, Konetz said his condo fees have jumped from $1,500 to $3,000.

    Then he was hit with an assessment of $224,000.
     
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    Yep, buyer beware and do due diligence is a common phrase for good reason.
     
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    Maintaining your brakes is essential, but the government doesn't make it mandatory for you to replace them. In Florida condos, the government potentially requires fixing the entire building even if there's no structural damage visible.
     
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    Actually many states do make it mandatory. If they don’t pass inspection you can’t license your vehicle
     

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