Did australia gun control actually Work?

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  1. Bastiats libertarians

    Bastiats libertarians Well-Known Member

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    Australia Banned several types of firearms and did a gun buy back but did it actually work? To Measure that you have to measure the "EFFECTIVE change" in homicide rate.

    According to Statistics
    Australia in 1991 had a homicide rate of 2.2 per 100K
    Australia in 2020 had a homicide rate of .87 per 100K
    Which means Australia dropped its homicide rate by 39.3 Percent.

    On the surface it looks like a net positive for Australia

    Now lets look at the United states "EFFECTIVE CHANGE" over the same period
    USA In 1991 Had a homicide rate of 9.3 per 100k
    USA in 2020 had a Homicide rate of 5.0 per 100k
    Which Means the USA dropped its homicide rate by 53.7 Percent despite effectively no gun control

    We are told that that the Australian gun ban was the catalyst for change in the Australia homicide rate but clearly that was not true. Because if it were the US Would not have seen a more significant drop in its homicide rate over the same time period. Even with the 2021 increase for the US due to Covid, jan6, BLM/Leftwing Riots. The USA would still maintain a 38 percent effective change if you use 2021s increase in homicide rate. Effectively the same reduction in murder as Australia.

    Long and short of it is this myth is busted.
     
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    I wish you would publish your source material; it would be worth bookmarking.
     
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    Bastiats libertarians Well-Known Member

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    Simple google search can yield you all that information. Its readily available.
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anyone down under checking the rate of human deaths by gatorcide? I suspect there's a relation.
     
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    the ban was effective. It worked exactly in the way that its sponsors wanted it to

    1) it allowed its sponsors to brag they did something effective and probably placated the yapping of thousands of low wattage Australians who were wetting themselves over crime

    2) it gave the government yet more power over people-something every leftist everywhere gets the warm fuzzies from
     
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    Which means the USA dropped [their] homicide rate(s) while loosening (their) gun control laws.
     
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    The year-over-year increase in the U.S. murder rate in 2020 was the largest since at least 1905 – and possibly ever, according to provisional data from the CDC. (Final data is not expected to differ much from the provisional data.) There were 7.8 homicides for every 100,000 people in the United
    States in 2020
    , up from six homicides per 100,000 people the year before.

    I believe your math might be wrong. I believe Australia saw a 60% decrease while the US saw a 46% decrease if you use 5 per 100k or 16% decrease if you use the 7.8 per 100k.
     
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    Overall homicides didn't decrease in Australia.
     
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    I'd say no it didn't. You can kill someone with a revolver or a pump action shotgun or a gun you aren't legally allowed to have. I heard that they know they didn't get all the certain types of weapons they were after. I'm not sure people have used these fire arms to murder people.
     
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    Anti-gun Aussies refuse to admit to themselves firearms are still widely available in their country - firearms more than capable of killing a lot of people rather quickly.
    If they admit this, they then have to admit the reason Australia has fewer mass shootings than the US doesn't have anything to do with their gun control laws.
    They have NO interest in doing that.
     
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    You should probably let the OP know since he's the one who originally posted such. And maybe show your numbers proving your claim.
     
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    Normally threads on forums get closed when the op doesn't provide links to their claims.

    Rules - Images, links, quotations, etc., should be used to support a member's opinion

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?help/terms

     
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