Did President Biden blowup the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline

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  1. straight ahead

    straight ahead Well-Known Member

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    Kind of like that Russia thing?

    Or that grabbing the steering wheel thing?

    Or that stealing nuclear secrets thing?
     
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    So not fraud facts that could be proven in court so "feelings". That means no provable facts to support the claim AKA a SHAM claim.
     
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    Yeah, you run with that..
     
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    Because they could not qualify for any legal grounds (read as minimum standard of legality/believability/proof) to have a case. If you can't accept what this means you are not able to comprehend the relevance of not being able to meet any legal judicial standard to proceed..
     
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    Ted Cruz asks Biden officials, under oath, if America was behind blowing up the pipeline. They refused to answer the question and dodged giving any information they know about it.

    Skip to 5:50


    Paraphrasing
    Cruz: Did we blow up the pipeline?
    Biden official: The question poses a premise that is impossible to answer in an effective way.
    Cruz: You can answer yes or no...
     
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  6. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HOLY MOLY!!!!!

    Dude, this video really needs its OWN thread because it is super telling when you see their reaction
    This deserves more than being shoved deep inside some other thread
    Just saying
     
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    Do you REALLY think that if they blew up the pipeline in a clandestine operation that they would let EVERY official in the Biden administration know? After all, blowing up the pipeline could be seen as an act of war, so IF the Biden administration actually did it, they would risk going to war with Russia, if it became public knowledge.

    I have asked the question before with no answer: Why would Biden have an interest to risk going to war over a pipeline that isn't even in operation? It makes no sense. It could be political suicide, if found out.
     
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    So for the record, the suffering of the German people this winter will be due to the American President. Pure insane evil.

    We could have on Biden on tape ordering the demolition and you would still deny it. You will deny it until the MSM tells you to do otherwise. The fact that they won't deny that they did it is as good as an admission for me.

    Q: Did you rape and murder that little girl?
    A: That is a complicated question that can't be answered with a simple yes or no.

    This is not complicated. Bloody Biden took another step in burning down the world.

    This video explains WHY America did it:
     
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    well there's a lot of great points you make
    I'm particularly interested in the "clandestine" part.
    So that implies its a stealth operation and they want to keep it that way.
    If thats the case, they are doing a very crappy job!
    It seemed to me like it was written all over their nervous faces.
    It also doesn't help to talk about a top secret operation in a speech months before you execute it
    not very smart
    I do believe that stealth operations should be kept "stealthy"
     
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    The State Department employee was the person selected by the Department to attend a committee hearing on "Keeping the Pressure on Russia and its Enablers..." after the pipeline was destroyed.

    If there were plans to destroy the pipeline or modify changes to sanctions, he would likely have some knowledge. He's the head of all sanctions for the State Department. Notice, he didn't say "I don't know." He said the answer to Cruz's question was too complicated for him to explain. You're taking that to mean he didn't know the answer to the question. "I don't know" was an answer he repeatedly gave to questions from Republicans. But, he was under oath and didn't say that to this particular question. As an attorney, he knows what he can and cannot say to avoid perjury issues if Republicans take control after the midterm elections. So he gave a lawyerly answer to avoid actually answering, thus protecting people from the public knowing what he knows on the subject.
     
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    OK that sounds incoherent. How does that relate to who blew up the pipeline?
     
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    I believe I replied to the wrong post.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    This seems to be a mostly incoherent collection of links that don't really address the issue at hand, with the one exception, the last one.

    "Russia could face billion-dollar lawsuits from European customers if it doesn’t resume the gas flows along Nord Stream 1.

    But analysts say Moscow can now try to use the explosions to declare force majeure -- circumstances beyond its control due to an unforeseen event -- and avoid penalties."

    Contract penalties are exactly why Europe has declared sanctions but still continued to buy Russian gas, because if they broke their contracts they would be penalized. So Europe still buys Russian gas and will continue until the contracts expire.

    Except, since neither pipeline was being used at the time, why would Gazprom face penalties? And couldn't they just say "leaky pipe" and achieve the same result without Russia blowing up it's own major economic asset?
     
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    That exact reason is why I seriously hope the US didn't do it; it would be a terrorist act that could lead to war with a nuclear power.
     
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    Well that would actually make sense. Carry on,
     
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    At least Biden did not lie to us this time... "deliberate act of sabotage." he just left out the juicy part about him being involved...

    Biden accused President Vladimir Putin of putting on a "sham routine" around Russia's annexation of Ukrainian territories and called the Nord Stream pipeline leaks a "deliberate act of sabotage."

    video here
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...in-annexation-pipeline-leaks-newsroom-vpx.cnn

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  18. Lil Mike

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    LOL, thank you for that well thought out argument. You've left me with much to consider...
     
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    Absolutely he did. To all those who thinks there was a stolen 2020 election.
     
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    Maybe because USA HAS TO BE IN WARS CONTINUOUSLY. What is the purpose of spending all that money (the most in the world) on weapons of mass destruction if you're not going to use it? That would make zero business sense at all. Are you saying USA is dumb? Of course they're going to use their weapons at every given opportunity even if it means provoking wars. Sheesh, you really must think USA are stupid and retarded business men.
     
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    Leaks their supposed to fix/repair to cover a contract, acts of nature or terror is probably excluded, you really didn't know?
     
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    Are you telling me that's what's in the Gazprom contract with various energy companies in Europe? Could you show that?
     
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    "A specific performance clause is a part of some contracts, agreed to by both parties, to require the contract to be completed even if one party breaches or fails to perform their obligations under the contract."
     
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    So the answer to my question is no, you can't.

    Thank you.
     
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    No.

    Those lines need gas running through them to stay in condition. Shutting them down allows the gas to interact with the pipe more, and "hogs" that they send down the line to scrub the interior cannot do their job when flow is stopped. That can allow big chunks to form from line deterioration that can blow out a line when it hits a corner or near a valve shut off. I noticed on a diagram that the damage areas are all at turns in the line.

    Never attribute to evil was can be more easily attributed to stupidity. Shutting down these lines was a big big mistake.
     
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