Disarming Security Companies in South Africa

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    It is kind of like hearing immigrants in the UK demanding they get a nation of their own in the UK. lol
     
  2. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apartheid was subjected to severe sanctions, given a chance (without sanctions) Apartheid could have lifted millions out of poverty. South Africans voted in a referendum to not go the North Korea route... in hindsight they would have been better off than they are today (referring black and white South Africans)

    Eskom, South Africa's power utility supplier was the worlds BEST, despite sanctions. Today it is billions in debt and on the verge of collapsing,

    Eskom: How it turned from world’s best to basket case in 15 years
    https://www.biznews.com/undictated/...d-from-worlds-best-to-basket-case-in-15-years


    South Africa today, is on the brink of collapse, not just power, 40% plus of the country's water pipes are leaking water desperately needed.
    The health system is collapsing, the transport system is collapsing, Municipalities are bankrupt... I can go on and on and on. Sewage is running down the streets...

    Black South Africans were better off under an Apartheid government and most certainly than they will be under what's coming... which for those who survive will be Chinese slave labour in the mines.

    People like yourself are completely ignorant of the situation currently in South Africa, you continue to beat the liberal Anti-Apartheid drum while MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WILL DIE. Half a million already have died.

    You serve no one - definitely you ARE NOT helping black South Africans by rooting for the corrupt terrorist ANC government, because they don't care about their own people. If they did they would share the wealth they have stolen - more than R700 billion in 20 years... why are they not using this money to help their brothers and sisters? Or save the country GIVEN TO THEM from this destruction that will kill millions of their own.
     
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  3. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are ignorant of South African History, South Africa was sparsely populated when white people came to South Africa, for the simple reason warfare between the tribes would wipe out a minimum of 2/3 rds of their populations.... it is the African way... population control and probably what we will be seeing in the next 5 - 10 years in South Africa
     
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  4. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    Can’t those white South Africans just emigrate to the Netherlands? That’s what I’d do.
     
  5. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    The more I read this nonsense, the more I support people like you may not be protected by weapons.


    Them SA nazi's never put up good water system for the black community, as well as no health system, as well as no transport. And what you white people now got, is share what you build for yourselves with the other 90% of the country. Sucks that you need to go from civilized to 1/10 of that. But that is what white SA created. Deal with it already.

    lol... sure champ. It is well know that the "known terrorist" Mandela actually build a heck of a lot of houses for the black community. Something you white folks refused to do.

    lol... calling me ignorant, while you haven't spend 1 day in the shoes of a black person who was violently oppressed into complete poverty.
     
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  6. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We are talking about roundabout 4.5 million people, many are migrating but we are heading for a severe crisis... soon.

    At the very least we should protect their right to defend themselves, currently they are thrown in jail for defending themselves.

    Killing of intruders will lead to arrest’
    https://www.iol.co.za/news/killing-of-intruders-will-lead-to-arrest-1495024


    Man arrested for shooting intruder
    https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/man-arrested-for-shooting-intruder-20171219


     
  7. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you want me to die.. noted... tells me everything I need to know about you....
     
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    notme Well-Known Member

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    you're just dumbly assuming things.

    And my comment stands. White people in SA demanding their own country, is like hearing brown people in the UK demanding their own country.
     
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    You still support apartheid, and so the violent oppression of 90% of the population in South Africa based on the color of the skin. Of course people like you should not be armed. Seems self explanatory with basic norms and values.
     
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    Apartheid really wasn't all that violent though. SA was FAR FAR less violent when Apartheid was keeping law and order.

    Black self governance always leads to horrific violence on a grand scale, always.

    I know that seems a shockingly offensive and racist thing to say, but that doesn't make it any less true.

    South Africans, if they be at all willing to face the facts, will tell you that things were much better under Apartheid than they currently are under the ANC.

    I know, I went there, and I talked to South Africans, both white and blacks.
     
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    Just curious, how did the murder rate in the last 20 years of Apartheid compare to the murder rate in Sth Africa now? Presumably in the FAR FAR less violent Apartheid past it must have been considerably lower.
     
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    That makes no sense.

    Brown immigrants in the UK would be people who went to an established civilization, and demanded they be given a piece of that civilization to rule over as their own.

    Whites in SA demanding a nation of their own would be people who built the entire SA population demanded just one small piece of that civilization to call their own, while relinquishing the rest.

    When the first white settlers(colonizers, conquerors, whatever you want to call them) began building a civilization in SA, it was so sparsely populated, that they imported black slaves from other countries.

    Their are very, very few blacks in SA that can stake any sort of ancestral claim to the land... vanishly few.

    The vast majority of blacks in SA haven't even been there for a single century, while the majority of the whites in SA have ancestral claims to the land that go back hundreds and hundreds of years.

    The vast majority of blacks in South Africa were recent migrants that came to take advantage of the civilization that white South Africans created.

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    Well, they live under effed up government. Leaving should be a viable option. If you are part of a minority that is being increasingly discriminated against then one should just emigrate.
     
  14. notme

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    It was genocidal

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    Pfff. Them nazi's massacred and ethnically cleansed black people around.
    But the ANC was "worse". Sure buddy, sure.
     
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  15. notme

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    Makes perfect sense. You move to an entire different continent, to than demand the country your obviously not a native to hands over land for you to govern. That is what them nazi's demand in SA. It would be the same as a person from Bangladesh in the UK demanding it's own country there.

    Not relevant.

    So what.

    The Bantu Tribes arrived in SA in like 500 AD, champ. They are predating any white European arrival.
     
  16. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a blatant lie, you post a stock image and nothing else but lies...I want to see this genocide you are talking about

    Here's the SA History list of detention deaths 1963 - 1990 - 73 deaths
    we had a truth and reconciliation commission... a full investigation
    https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/list-deaths-detention

    Far less than those killed by the ANC... intimidation and fear is what they used to fuel the protests during those years

    today in South Africa

    The deaths of 759 people in the last financial year can be linked to the police — 201 died in police custody, while 558 people died as a result of police action. The Independent Police Investigative Directorate 2017/18 annual report paints a grim picture as police torture complaints increased by 44 to 217, and 43 on-duty police officers came under investigation for rape, eight more than a year earlier.

    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...from-police-action-and-201-deaths-in-custody/

    in 2011 there were statistics showing over 900 deaths in police custody and many believe they now provide grossly inaccurate stats
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is what is clear to me

    South Africa today is a death trap for the majority of blacks, only a small elite ANC benefit from the riches they have stolen

    Your have no interest in helping these suffering blacks, you defend a corrupt and cruel regime, and your only interest is rooted in your hatred for white people
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you can.. migration is not a viable option for everyone. Not everyone has the qualifications and skills these countries are asking for. Some are too old, some are too young, some are unemployed and some are too poor.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm going to comment on this from a personal standpoint. My brother served in the SA armed forces he did one year in Angola and one year in the Townships.

    He came home and told us there were mansions in Soweto ... this is during Apartheid, homes with marble floors. How? Because the black South African had the majority consumer power, they used actions like "buy black" to boycott white business and those blacks with their own business became extremely wealthy......DURING Apartheid

    So DO NOT tell me all black South Africans were poor during Apartheid,... you're just making **** up as you go

    and again.. this was during a time of severe sanctions...

    There were so many lies created to paint Apartheid evil, the truth is somewhere in the middle... and certainly the levels of poverty today and those of what's coming pale by comparison... in spite of sanctions
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The last thing South Africans need are people like you who are stuck in their own traumatised past. You didn't even live Apartheid but you seem handicapped by the idea of it, in fact I think you are more challenged than those black South Africans who actually lived the system.

    The country need solutions, and they need it fast because it's all crumbling... defending the ANC and their corrupt governance responsible for the devastation on South Africa's doorstep is shameful, ignorant and self-serving.

    ok so for incase all this ^^ went over your head let me summarise.... They don't need your personal ****... they have enough problems of their own
     
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    Lefties in the US protested Apartheid and demanded action. The US and other nations then put sanctions on SA until they eliminated Apartheid which they did. Now we are seeing the result.
     
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    He just hates Whites and can't accept the fact that there are no 1st world countries that aren't run by Whites or Asians.
     
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    South African being condemned by the entire United Nations Security Council, says this is the truth.

    I posted 1 picture of a slaughter far greater than what you're posting.
     
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    I don't care about your alleged personal experience. What counts are impartial facts.
     
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    You seem to even deny events happened of which the UNSC condemned you lot. That picture of mass graves for the black people who got slaughtered by the likes of you under thug apartheid rule shows perfectly well that you lot don't get weapons anymore.
     
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