Do Conservatives care more about the U.S. and its freedom then Liberals do?

Even if it is a plan, that is all it would be. A PLAN! He has not done a thing since he has been in office except made EVERYTHING WORSE!

 

Spending money on protecting the country is the top job of the federal government. Nation building is not.

The Founders risked their lives and fortunes to free americans from the King. The country was living under the structure promoted by England.

George Washington asked that his slaves be freed after his wifes death, yet she freed them a year after his death giving the old pensions and allowing many to live on the estate freely.

Slavery was a cancer that could not be ripped out at the convention. It was dealt with as best possible. After the country was established and more secure, it had its bloody battle to end slavery.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g003.html

 

My only question is how do you know which ones were conservative and which ones were liberal. Many of those from the red states could have been liberals and visa-versa, so how do you know which is which.

 

In Spain like in USA the ones that want to go the armed forces, military or police are the ones with ideology closer to fascism. Nothing new. The fascists like the military, and the fascism in USA is the conservatism, then it isn't a surprise.

People of the left hate military. It is normal.

 

Bwahahaha. That is funny. Sorry, forgot. "The world has never had leftists in control". Can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

 

Fascism is far closer to the left in fact. In the U.S.A, the left supports big government, massive regulations, and levels of control that boggles the mind. That is a fascist trait...to have a totalitarian government. Secondly, they passed a healthcare bill that basically makes it seem that seniors who are ill...are just a waste and shouldn't be wasted money on and should therefore die, because young people are important.

Are young people more important to society than old?...perhaps you may think so, but old people were once young and payed the same taxes and were the same Americans...denying them healthcare is nothing less than evil and fascist.

Conservatives also support a military for defense of the country. The left wants enormous domestic forces to declare martial law most likely.

And lastly...it is the left that wants to abolish the second amendment and take full control the of the country. Conservatives fully support the second amendment which is the only true way to be 100% safe from a true tyrannical government.

When you learn what conservatives and fascists stand for and their meaning, come back and compare them...until then, you comparing them is bogus and hilariously inaccurate.

 

Honestly, fascism can be described as the state working hand-in-hand with big business, and I don't think anyone can argue that is what we have going on. If anything, modern America has proven that fascism has many forms, like all systems, and isn't necessarily as inherently violent as people believe. Though people around the world who have been hit by one of our bombs might disagree.

 

You are very correct, XLR8TR.

Especially when you say, "It is the left that wants to abolish the second amendment and take full control the of the country. Conservatives fully support the second amendment which is the only true way to be 100% safe from a true tyrannical government."



"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. ... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787

 

You do realize that more wars have been fought over territory and socialist revolution than religion, right? You also do realize that more wars have been fought in American history by Democrat Progressive administrations have Conservative Republican administrations, right?

 

LOL. Neocons are as "progressive" as the left. I know nothing more "progressive" than globalism. The rest pales in comparison.

 

You are very correct, changed.

Here are some more interesting facts the Left doesn't want you to know about!

Listen very carefully to the words of Phil Donahue.

He sounds just like most of the liberals in this group who support Barack Obama!

Milton Friedman Tells Phil Donahue Why Socialism Fails

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LOL. What are you doing James? I admit Friedman, is right. But it is to a degree. Saying those with the most money should rule the world is as primitive as saying the majority should rule. America proved 200 years ago the best way is for the system to rule, a system that represents all, while making too much power of any impossible. The problem with America, the only problem, the root of all ills, is the fact only globalists have a true say. Just like those of industry figured out they could set up associations that in effect established monopolies by the majority of said industry, globalist politicians and their masters have set up the entire system to effectively run the same. Our original "system" has been compromised. Power must be taken back. A new system created.

 

the question was not why do Conservative, join more, or why liberals join less. it was why do people in red states join more then people from blue states.

 

My point exactly.

Technically, there has been no war started under a Conservative administration.

 

Because conservatives are more patriotic and support the military, figuratively and literally. They vote republican more too.

Military More Republican, Conservative Than Public – Poll

Military vote softens but doesn't shift

 

One could also argue people from red states grow up around guns. Military just means bigger and better toys to play with

 

I think it's probably economic, isn't it? Poor people join the military to have a job, and red states have more poor people than blue states.

 

No...There are statistics which shows a good amount of people who join the service are mostly from middle quintle families. Pat Tillman was a football star and he gave up his career to join the military.

So you might not want to use that example. It's insulting.

 

Why would that be insulting? I'm not following. Is it insulting to the military, or to poor people?

And a "good amount" doesn't contradict what I'm saying. When people need a job and none is available, they're more likely to join the military. Is this not true?

 

It's insulting to say that people should only join the military when they have no other options, because there are plenty of options. People join the military when they want to serve their country and for no other reason. To say otherwise is a bubble mentality.

Lower income quintles and urban areas under-represent the amount of new circuits. Income distribution shows that majority of families which earn between $30,000 - $50,000 a make up the new circuits. Barely any families which earn $20,000 and under actually join the military. So you're just wrong.

 

Because liberals don't believe in going to war over anything. They feel that war is "icky." When someone kills your fellow countrymen, you need to "understand" them and be diplomatic. And when that doesn't work and they still want to kill you, instead of asserting your boundaries and standing up for your country, you must demonize your fellow countrymen and claim it was something they did that made these people hate you. The other side is always innocent and we are always at fault. Always. No exceptions.

 

Liberals choose to go to war with defenseless unborns. They are too passive to fight for their country.

 

In USA fascism is conservatism. I don't see differences between the Spanish fascists(declared as it themeselves) and the self called conservative in USA. They think equally. Then conclusion: Conservatism is fascism.

Same ideology:

- Xenophoby: First AMericans after the rest
- Racism: No necessary to explain that
- Pro-death penalty:
- Homophobic behaviour: They usually are homophobic
- Machist
- Militarists
- Religious: Very religious. They give a lot of importance to religion
- Patriots and/or nationalists: They are terribly nationalists

All these features leads to the necessity of a big government. So conservatism is fascism. Conservatives most of them are fascist in disguiss. For example, most of the comments done by the conservative in this forum are fascist. In Europe would be considered a fascist comment.

Ah, the left in USA doesn't exist. USA has progressists(center-right) and conservative(extreme right).

 

LOL. USA has paleocons, neocons, libertarians(economic right)
Social conservatives(religious right, no economics involved)
right-of-center independents
centrists
left-of-center independents
secular liberals(anti-religious left, no economics involved)
socialists, market socialists, geoists(economic left)

Not to mention, nationalist and globalist versions of all of the above, outside of neocons and market socialists, who globalism is part of their ideology.

Not to mention anarchists to neoNazis, people completely out of the spectrum.

Not to mention a huge chunk of people who believe a little from a few ideologies.

Even in the most non-American days of America, so much freedom involved it seems people from other places on earth can't comprehend the complexity of American politics. Why do you think people here are so frustrated? Because the population is extremely diverse politically yet all we get in Washington is globalized market socialists in bed with globalized crony capitalists.

And on a side note, nationalists are the only defense against one world government. A self-proclaimed anarchist arguing for one world, another government on top of the corrupt BS we already have, has got to be an extremely confused individual.

 

the republican states keep their people poor with no social mobility benefits from the state governments...

this means people in the republican states are more likely to depend on the federal government for help in social mobility and are forced to put their lives on the line in the military....

it has nothing to do with patriotism