Do people who hunt deer actually think they're hunting?

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  1. tharock220

    tharock220 Well-Known Member

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    You sit in an elevated chair and just wait. You often you feed the deer for months and bait it into showing itself then shot it. You don't track it. You're not in any danger. You wear bright orange because you're afraid of getting shot by other "hunters". The deer don't notice because you're eight feet or more off the ground. Then you'll brag at the end of the season about the size of it's antlers, say you got a 14 point doe or buck, and post pictures on Facebook like you did something impressive.

    Go kill a grizzly bear or change the name of the activity to "deer fish".

    As a man who owns multiple guns I feel embarrassed for you.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I sympathize ...but also that is not an accurate representation of hunting. There are LOTS of hunters who actually hunt. As in stalking their prey through the woods ...not just sitting in a stand with a feeder.

    Its also worth noting that deer have a tendency to breed more like pests than like other large game. More like humans in fact... they don't breed when conditions are prime for more of them, like elk for example. Deer breed whenever they can. This leads to population explosions, famine ...and starving, suffering, overpopulated deer that defoliate their environment, kill a LOT of people in car accidents, spread disease, and sometimes need killing. Even by 'lazy' people in deer stands with feeders.

    Have you ever eaten a hamburger? Do you suppose the cow was stalked painstakingly through the wilderness by an honorable hunter?

    I mean c'mon. Deer are not endangered. They're doing fine. And deer meat, whether fed from feeders or from wild forage is FAR healthier and more humane meat than factory cows.

    Also (shamelessly stolen from the next responder) would you prefer the deer be killed quickly with a clean shot through the lungs at close range ...or from way far away where even a 'good' shot might merely injure the deer, leading to a slow, prolongued, agaonizeing and terrifying chase before death? Not only does it degrade the quality of meat, but increases the suffering of the deer too.

    Are you sure you've accurately identified the problem here?
     
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  3. FatBack

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    So....care to share what you think would constitute real deer hunting?

    There are plenty of people that hunt from ground blinds or spot and stalk and don't feed the deer.

    Now what I think is cheesy is paying for a canned hunt and not dressing out your own kill.

    I have no problem with people hunting as long as they are going to consume what they have killed and when it comes to hunting the entire object is to make as clean of a kill as quickly as possible with the least amount of chance of wounding the game.

    People that don't hunt think that hunting should be " fair " like taking a shot at a deer from hundreds of yards away as though it somehow gives the animal a sporting chance.... Not understanding that that foolishness only increases wounded game that is not harvested.

    I believe Hunter's ethics demands that you do not take a shot unless you are certain of your ability to make a swift kill
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    hunting for food is done in the easiest way possible

    hunting for sport would be more what you are referring too

    sometimes the two are combined
     
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    What, pray tell, does the OPs rant have to do with politics?
     
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    Watch this video - for sure these native hunters feel embarrassed for you:

     
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    Yeah

    They should try something a bit more sporting



     
  8. FatBack

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    Why not just hide and wait or spot and stalk with a bow and arrow?

    The only big game animal I have ever taken was a feral hog with a black powder muzzle loading revolver. I saw them from about 150 yards and was able to creep up on foot to within roughly 80 ft before opening fire. The hog never saw it coming and had a 44 caliber hole through both lungs and only made it 15 ft before collapsing. I still have the projectile that I found lodged under the hide on the far side when I did the field dressing.

    While the endurance of that Hunter is amazing, it would seem that the buildup of lactic acid from the chase would do the meat no favors
     
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    Hunting over a bait patch isn't hunting. That's laying an ambush.

    Spending hours on end figuring out where the deer are, when they're there and hiding in waiting for them to show up, is hunting.
     
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    Do you prefer the prey to be tackled and killed with one's bare hands. I don't get the point of this post.

    In a survival situation, you'll use the easiest method for food. That's hunting.
     
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    Curling is an olympic sport and so the marathon, sitting on the tree, drinking a beer and waiting for a deer is hunting, the same as running 8 hours until the deer collapse, everyone choose the activity he likes.
    My favorite hunting was spearfishing - without tanks, only the air in my lungs, but I didn't try to hunt sharks, only small innocent fish :(
     
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    That's only one way to hunt. There are many different ways to do it. For example in Nordic countries they use dogs (see moose dog below) to hunt moose. The dog finds the scent to track down the moose and once located he barks to alert the hunters who come in for the kill. I hunted big game in Africa, sometimes on foot, and sometimes from a car. Not sure why it matters.

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    We live in a world of "complaining" about something. If you complain you need to offer an alternative. Would the OP author like to outlaw deer stands? I don't hunt, but I do enjoy fishing and eating largemouth bass. I sit in a boat on the water and put out a shiner under a float. When the bass swallows the shiner, I got him hooked and reel him in. Yeah, the bass decided to eat the shiner, and I decided to eat the bass. Those poor fish.
    Would you say I'm hunting for fish or fishing for fish? Don't matter to me.
     
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    And they could care less about you.
     
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    Hunting is rarely as impressive as the hunter thinks. Want to really accomplish something? Run that beast down and kill it with your bare hands.
     
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    you felt a need to post this why? saw Bambi one too many times as kid and thought it was a documentary. People wear bright orange because it is the law. I used to hunt deer-never with a gun-always with archery.
     
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    yeah go and kill that steer with a kung fu iron palm death strike and then butcher it with your pocket knife for your t-bone
     
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    Most of us who hunt don't give a damn about what those who dislike hunting think. We laugh at ones that eat meat-wear leather, or use medicines or cosmetics tested on animals. Ones that do none of the above tend to be diseased or smell bad
     
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    You do not need to dislike hunting to recognize it isn't a huge accomplishment and personal manly triumph over nature to gun down an animal. There are hunters who recognize this. It is a means to an end and a task no more glorious than farming. Neither is inherently bad.
     
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    IDK. There are some aspects of deer hunting I don't like, particularly hunt clubs that drive all the deer in the area into an ambush. Also not big on food plots as bait. Not everyone hunts those ways though and some people do eat their kill. I personally hate the taste of deer meat so I stopped hunting them a long time ago. Dove are the only thing I might would still go out and hunt, but even with them, it is hard to get enough in a day around here to make it worth doing. Wild turkey is pretty much always going to be inedible around here so I don't bother with them either.
     
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    so what was the purpose of the OP other than to try to claim some moral superiority over hunters. It sure is a bigger accomplishment than paying someone else to kill your food for you
     
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    same here plus the old gentleman who asked me to take some of the nuisance deer off of his estate died years ago. I like dove-shot thousands of them over the years and ate lots of them. The ones we didn't eat went to an orphanage near Cali Columbia where we were shooting on plantations
     
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    You'd have to ask him. He isn't me.
     
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    Feral hogs are a plague upon the planet.
     
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    So are the freaking buffalo in the NT. Come to that we have a lot of ferals and they do a hell of a lot of damage to our wildlife
     

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