Do we have freewill ? is it biblical ?

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  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    This life, as far as anyone knows, is all we have. It isn't "probationary". It's everything. Live for today because, as far as we know, there is no tomorrow.
    Trying to curry favor now to upgrade your lot when this life is over is a waste of time, resources and happiness.
     
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    Everything you said is part of or how you are living your probation. It is drunken reasoning. All that we do today, sets our course not only for this day but for our eternity, as well as the worlds tomorrow. That we live is to be obligated. That's reality. It has always been this way. But what people do is another matter. It sets the course of men and nations and builds distinction, now and forever.
     
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    Why does the why matter?
     
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    Why not an Allah hole, Jehova, Buddah, Shiva, Zeus, Thor, they can all fill the holes and have.
     
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    What is heavenly?
     
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    Divine.
     
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    People have used all those things, largely because they are trying to answer the question, why? Why does this world exist, why are we here, what's it all mean? Why is the most basic of human questions.

    When people stop believing in God they will believe anything, as many philosophers have noted over the centuries. Science is one of those things people turn to answer the how and why of things, it becomes their religion, a version of pantheism.
     
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    Every religion believes that their god remains as other gods come and go, and have various stories emphasizing that.

    As for predestination, Paul wrote Romans 8:28–30.
     
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    Agreed. But, that is hard, as all citizens get to vote in government, and many bring their personal religious views to the party when considering issues of government.

    So, we end up with political conflict in areas such as biology and the right to personal choices.
     
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    Religion does not have the equipment for questioning issues of biology, physics, etc.

    And, our government was set up to PREVENT the use of government to enforce law that has no basis other than religion.

    "Why" is an interesting question, obviously. And, there isn't any opposition to you or others addressing that issue. Besides the fact that every religion has at least one answer to that, we even have theoretical physicists studying that question. It's a free space for anyone to attempt progress.
     
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    You are simply relying on Jesus being the divine Son of God. I see no evidence for that. In fact I see no evidence that Jesus was more than a Jewish 'evangelist' raised to divinity by misinterpretation and misuse of Hebrew scriptures, and a few additions of 'miracles' to make him God's Son. You refuse to accept history and the OT scriptures which show the nativity stories - designed to make Jesus divine - are corrupted OT scriptures and are against the Laws, customs etc of the time. And to end up with Joseph and family in Egypt and Nazareth at the same time is one of your miracles I suppose.
     
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    A secularlist can assert this in the same way you assert there is a God, i.e., based on what they believe.

    However, no scientist asserts there is no God and saying so is a false claim. Show me an article in a peer reviewed scientific journal by a scientist asserting there is no God.
     
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    This life isn't the final thing. It is the forerunner. It is necessary to have choice and opposition, good and evil, so as to test our faith and love for what it right. This is how we are perfected. We are in the process of the perfection you seek or which you say is absent, and which you lay upon God as his mistake. Thus you reason there is no God. But the imperfection is part of his plan, don't you see. God knows exactly what he is doing. It is you and I who don't know it all. The imperfections make Jesus's gospel of salvation all the more valuable. In the meantime we get to keep our science too, and live in the world without being of the world.
     
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    As if the discovery of DNA and genome mapping are not evidence.

    What empirical evidence supports your claims? Go.
     
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    Well as I mentioned in another thread if I have an eye problem I can go to an Opthalmologist for treatment thanks to science. I do not have to rely on mud and spit being rubbed in my eye -- thanks to scientist that did not want humans to stay in the bronze age.

    The pre-science approach that many fundies want to take the human race back to.
    After he said these things he spit on the ground, made some mud from the saliva, and spread the mud on his eyes.
     
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    How about the post Jesus prophets? Do any of them know what we do not know?
     
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    The Christian religion has a God that acts like a man, anger, rage, etc. and looks like a man.

    Then they have a man, who is born as a man, walks around behaving as a man, but yet we come to find out he is actually a god. I guess like the gods of other religions that came down and walked around incognito.

    Hard to believe.
     
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    Scientists assert all sorts of things. They assert there is some form of a god. They assert there is no god at all.

    However, they ALL keep their religion separate from their science.

    Peer reviewed scientific journals don't have papers on the existence of god, as god can not be addressed by science in the way required for scientific journals.

    There are even physicists, such as Sean Carroll, who have given talks on why God is not a good hypothesis.
     
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    You, me, and all of human history from now back to then, or say six to eight thousand years ago. That's pretty real, isn't it. Don't you have to traverse that stretch to get to the time before time. Or are we just supposed to ignore all of that empirical evidence that doesn't support the theory. I was born in the twentieth century, not evolved. And I have a birth certificate to prove it. I also came to know in the same century that God is real and that our spirits dwelt with him in eternity before we were born. Would you have me believe that God didn't have a hand in the design of the universe, our solar system, the earth, mankind and all life on earth?
     
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    I don't know what you mean.
     
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    You need to read at least a simple explanation of evolution.

    As a starter, please remember that evolution is something that is noticeable over multiple generations.
     
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    Let me rephrase. Are there modern living prophets that directly communicate with God in a way that a regular person could not communicate, i.e., receiving revalations.
     
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    Yup. Very hard.

    Ponder this: the bible says god created man "in His image and likeness”, and when religionists read that they read “man created god in their image and likeness”. So as you say, they think god looks like them, when actually it is supposed to tell them that, like god, neither are they their body. They are not their body! They are not the flesh or the mind! But they can’t grasp it.
     
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    Well I think the very nature of prophetic revelation and personal revelation differ in that personal is limited in scope, while prophetic is broader as in a Church leadership role. The LDS Church is headed by a Prophet. But usually when he speaks, it's just standard stuff, reminding the members to stay the course, Jesus Christ lives and loves you, and so on.
     
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    There is no going from animal to human, or ape to human, or anything like that in human history.
     

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