Does Zionism= Racism?

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Is Zionism a form of racism?

  1. Yes

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  2. Only partially

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    17.4%
  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Someone doesn't even realize most everyone in that area are of the same race.
     
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    Why is it that wise men are always so full of doubts when the fools themselves have no hesitations whatsoever?

    That being said I agree that there should be a "no" option. Polls are about public opinions, not the pollster's.
     
  3. HailVictory

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    Yes and no. Semites are, indeed, a race. And Palestinians fall under the category of Hamites. However, they are sub-races of the Caucasian race, so yes while technically racist, they aren't really, at least scientifically. But no, Israel should not really exist, as long as Palestinians exist. It is very hypocritical. Anyways, yea, so no Israel. Kick em out, Palestine.
     
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    Jewish people are white, Palestinians are not, Nazi ideology guy.

    Israel is civilised, and an ally of America. Palestine is a sewer full of uncivilised Islamic terrorists.



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  5. MVictorP

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    That's because most of them eastern jews are from Khazar stock. They're barely even semites.

    French resistance in WWII occupied France were also called "terrorists" by the fascist authorities.

    When you want to kill your dog, you say he has rabies,
     
  6. creation

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    What does Scotland have to do with any of this/
     
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    I adore these oriented polls.

    Zionism is simply the definition of a particular nationalism: the Israeli nationalism. As for nature it's not different from Palestinian nationalism or American nationalism ... Are Palestinian nationalists totally or partial racist?
     
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    In the 19th century, European authors classified the Hamitic race as a sub-group of the Caucasian race, along with the Semitic race – thus grouping the non-Semitic populations native to North Africa and the Horn of Africa, including the Ancient Egyptians. - Hamites (Otherwise known as Palestinians/Arabs)

    The term Semitic people was a historical term for people or cultures who speak or spoke the Semitic languages. - Semites (basically just Jews who are Caucasian)

    The Aryan race was a racial grouping commonly used in the period of the late 19th century to the mid-20th century to describe peoples of European and Western Asian heritage. - Aryans (basically anyone who is Caucasian but not Arab or Jewish, so Indo-Europeans)

    So, no, your assertion is incorrect. Under Nazi ideology, Hamites and Aryans were considered superior (hamites a little lower than Indo-Europeans), and Jews the lowest of them all. Israel and Palestine are both uncivilised sewers, however Palestine has a little bit more honour, which is giving them more than enough credit considering their neighbouring countries. Jewish people may have pale skin, but they have different facial features than other Europeans, right? You know why. Because they aren't Aryans, they are Semites, which is part of the greater Caucasian Race but is considered a sub-category to group those specific people together.

    I, personally, do not believe in the racial doctrines of Nazism, so I don't believe that Jews are inferior to Aryans. However, they, as with every race, can be a real prick to other people. Specifically when it comes to kicking out Palestinians from their homeland. It'd be like selling your house, moving to China, and then coming back 70 years later and kicking out the people who bought your house. Is that your house anymore? No, it belongs to the people to bought it from you when you left.
     
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    You're a real blonde, aren't you?
     
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    In theory Zionism could of avoided racism, in practice since it has always placed the rights of Jews to a Jewish State above that of any non Jewish indigenous population it is, at its core, racist.
     
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    No I am not actually. My mother was half German half Indian and my father full Indian. So very little European blood in me. And my grandfather was the stereotypical German doctor, with brown hair and spectacles. Probably don't have a single blonde gene in me.
     
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    Zionism is an ideology whose hallmark is exclusionism and bigotry towards Arabs.
     
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    Except that Judaism is tribal.
     
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    What I find most disturbing about the subject of racism is the way the term is selectively thrown at people, typically those of European ancestry. This would include Ashkenazi Jews.

    What exactly is wrong with ethnocultural homelands? We don't even condemn most of those that exist, such as Japan, the Koreas, or even Ghana for that matter, which has a blacks-only Right of Abode law allowing for the residence of diaspora blacks?

    We have the same group of people frothing at the mouth about Israel dead quiet about the same type of immigration/citizenship laws existing in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

    When I see things like this, it becomes clear to me that alleged "racism" isn't the issue that these people have with the select countries they complain about, but are rather using accusations of it as a pretext and a wedge issue to stir up popular sentiment against these countries.

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    And the same can be said about Islam. What Arab country allows mass immigration of Christians and Jews and offers to treat them equally?
     
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    I find that the radical Left are the ones that are the most hateful of Israel outside of the Islamic world. Their hatred of alleged "racism" isn't the issue; it's rather that the Left hate any kind of human community bond that isn't one of workers and that would get in the way of bonds of workers, such as the traditional family, religion, ethnocultural bonds, etc.

    Considering Muslims invaded the area during the reign of Abu Bakr, I'm wondering how "Palestinians" can legitimize the idea that they are indigenous, especially in light of the Muslim majority's mistreatment of Arab Christians.
     
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    You ask which Arab country allows mass migration? Since when do Zionists allow mass migration of Christians and Muslims within its borders?? This is an issue the right wing haters should consider.
     
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    That's extraneous.

    Well, it isn't. Zionism is more akin to nationalism than it is racism.
     
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    It can go either way. Wanting a state which enforces borders doesn't make you racist. That said, many do take it to a racist conclusion.

    One man's patriotism is another man's nationalism.
     
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    Right from the earliest zionists they understood that in order to create a Jewish State they would have to ignore the rights of the people already living there.

    The right of return gives almost any Jew in the world the chance to settle in Israel regardless of any tangible links to the area, and yet those displaced in 1948 are not allowed to return to homes and land they still have deeds to. The reason they are not allowed back is because they are not Jews, how can anyone claim that isn't racism?
     
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    You've got it all backwards. First off, Judaism isn't a race.

    Second, you're getting your connections backwards. You're saying that Jews worldwide can get citizenship on a fast track, something which Palestinians don't, and then you're leaping to say that Palestinians are being denied citizenship because of their race. No they are not. Palestinians are allowed to get citizenship in Israel and many do.
     
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    I have not claimed that Judaism is a race, in fact I have not mentioned Judaism at all, we are discussing if Zionism is racist, I do not think or claim that either Jews or Judaism are racist let us be absolutely clear about that.
    Why do you ignore the simple fact that Palestinians were driven from their homes and land in order to create the state of Israel. They were driven out because of their ethnicity, the majority were refused the right to return to their country of origin because of their ethnicity, or do you claim a different reason?
     
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    So? Tribal is not a race.
     
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    Most of those early zionists were SOCIALISTS as I have documented on this forum previously. Isn't it ironic how so many members of the radical far right on this forum who hate socialism defend it when it comes to the racist and exclusionist state of Israel??

    Such hypocrisy and double standards - typical of those on the racist and hate filled far right.
     
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    many Zionists are racist
     
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    Nor is it an humanistic approach.
     

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