Donald Trump Responds to New Criminal Charges in Special Counsel Investigation

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps. Now that the House has changed hands we are going to see new light shine on the Biden families exploits.
     
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    There are no charges yet and everything that Smith is pursuing here is justified
     
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    And the DC Court of Appeals denied the stay of the Corcoran ruling....

    Entire thing in about 18 hours of so.... Now that's a justice system moving things along.. At that pace for everything, Trump might already be out on parole....

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-court-backs-doj-forcing-195859842.html
     
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    So much for fame and fortune being a president's attorney, eh?
    Corcoran didn't even make a year, he joined Trump's team in April 2022.

    'Trump attorney to testify Friday in MaraLago classified documents investigation after losing appeal'
    Source: CNN

    "Former President Donald Trump’s defense attorney Evan Corcoran is scheduled to testify Friday before the grand jury investigating classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago after a new order from a federal appeals court, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.

    The US DC Circuit Court of Appeals said that Corcoran must provide additional testimony and turn over documents about the former president as part of the criminal investigation into possible mishandling of classified documents.

    The source said Trump’s side is unlikely to appeal to the Supreme Court.

    The announcement from a panel of three judges in the appeals court – less than a day after Trump sought to put Corcoran’s testimony on hold – adds momentum to the special counsel investigation as it seeks to secure evidence that could make or break a federal criminal case against Trump."

    Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/22/politics/evan-corcoran-trump-lawyer-appeals-court/index.html
     
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    Translation - Trump's side is likely to appeal to the Supreme Court...

    Don't cost nothin' except time...

    That DC Court of Appeals process is quite possibly the coolest judicial thing I've seen during my time on PF.com.... 1 day to get briefs from both sides AND rule.. MORE Female judges please!

    Nowhere is it written that justice has to move at a glacial pace.... quite the opposite in fact...
     
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    Sounds like policial persecution! Deep state!
     
  7. Izzy

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    You're right.
    I read that and rolled my eyes.
    and 6am to boot!
     
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    From the team holding flashlights with no batteries??

    Good luck!
     
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    WELL SAID!
     
  10. Izzy

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    No doubt that Trump will trump himself this weekend with the number of his melt-down threatening, vicious and dangerous posts.


    March 24, 20238:58 AM EDT
    Last Updated 8 min ago

    'Attorney for former President Trump appears before grand jury'

    WASHINGTON, March 24 (Reuters) - Donald Trump's attorney Evan Corcoran appeared on Friday before a federal grand jury investigating the former U.S. president's retention of classified documents after he left the White House in January 2021.

    Corcoran and his attorney Michael Levy entered the federal courthouse in Washington and went to the third floor where the grand jury typically meets.

    Special Counsel Jack Smith is leading the Justice Department's investigation of whether Trump improperly took classified documents as he left office and his attempts to overturn his 2020 election defeat, which he falsely claims was the result of widespread fraud."



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    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/at...t-trump-appears-before-grand-jury-2023-03-24/
     
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    For what ?
     
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    For what?
     
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    All due respect, but what “precedent” are they setting ?

    Ever heard of Hillary Clinton ? They had her in front of cameras for 4 years and after the 7000th “BENGHAZZZZZ!!!!!!!! hearing on TV, she lost the election in 2016.

    But that aside, what’s happening here is exactly what your asking for. Yes, the Stormy Daniels case was heard, but never tried in a court, because of the power of the Office of President, these investigations were stymied for political gain. It happens on both sides (Bill Clinton).

    But the main case against Trump now in Georgia is his call to officials in Georgia to “find votes”. Trump tried to use the power of the Presidency to change the results of an election. You cannot think that that is OK ?
     
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    Lol…my sentiments exactly, but against a seditious and malignant narcissist and his violent maga hordes.
    Now the orange dotard is threatening “death and destruction” if he is charged.
    Be careful what you wish for.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Slim chance you take Trump down in a partisan effort, you get Desantis. We get 8 years of America 1st instead of just four. Fine by me.
     
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    When Nixon resigned in disgrace from office his successor lost, in a landslide, to Jimmy Carter because the American people were over the illegal actions of Nixon and that bled over to the GOP in general.
    When Trump is indicted (not IF, but WHEN) it's going to be the same thing. Trump will become an albatross around the necks of every Republican (ESPECIALLY of any Republican that defended him) running for office. The GOP made their Trump bed, now they can lie in it.
     
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    Not to nitpick BUT:
    Ford's Loss to Carter in 1976 would hardly qualify as a "Landslide" (even by Kellyanne's standards)..
    Carter barely received over 50% of the Pop. Vote (50.1%), Won the EC 297-240 and a shift of 5,600 Votes in Ohio and 3,700 Votes in Hawaii would've tipped the Election to Ford...
     
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    In any case the exit polling showed that the main reason Ford lost was Watergate.

    If Trump gets indicted that will be the number 1 reason a Republican loses the next Presidential election which is why the Republicans are doing everything they can to prevent it. They know Trump is guilty of all of this stuff (and probably more) but as long as they can prevent a formal indictment (or, worse, conviction) then they can spin it so it's not so bad.
     
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    Why wouldn't Trump want his buddies on the SCOTUS to see what a lying ,self-serving dirtbag he is?
    By now they'd have to be brain dead to not have noticed.

    'Trump hasn’t immediately appealed a devastating Mar-a-Lago ruling. This may be why.

    "Two courts ruled Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran must hand over documents and testify to a grand jury. But involving the Supreme Court would be worse."

    snip:

    "After the D.C. Circuit refused Trump’s request for a stay on Wednesday, why didn’t Trump seek immediate Supreme Court intervention to stop Corcoran’s testimony?

    Trump and his legal team aren’t saying, but I’ll venture a guess. It’s not solely because he would have lost, as some have speculated, although any rejection by the court would be as embarrassing as it would be legally damaging. After all, Trump has made clear he believes this Supreme Court — controlled by conservative justices, three of whom he appointed — owes him one.

    But my hunch is that Trump’s team let Corcoran’s testimony happen because of what’s likely involved in any request to pause, much less, review a crime-fraud-related ruling: the evidence. Put another way, if Trump had petitioned the Supreme Court to stay Corcoran’s testimony and document production, the justices would have seen some, if not all, of what Judge Howell and the three-judge panel on the D.C. Circuit have already reviewed: proof that Trump misled Corcoran and engaged in criminal conduct.

    And for someone whose one last hope, if he is ultimately charged or tried by any of the multiple entities now investigating him, is that same Supreme Court, letting the justices see evidence of his alleged crimes now would be a bridge too far. Even if that means Corcoran’s notes and transcripts of “personal audio recordings” are now in the DOJ’s control, even if Corcoran had to return to the grand jury as a witness the day after arguing the application of Trump’s other privileges, Trump can’t afford to lose the Supreme Court yet."


    cont:
    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/evan-corcoran-mar-a-lago-trump-appeal-rcna76501
     
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    Good analysis, good article.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not quite true. There are millions of Americans who loved Trumps policies. They just couldn't buy his personality. Our "bed" is America 1st. This Administration has seen China and Russia unite, Iran attacking Americans in Syria and ISIS on the prowl once more after our sloppy withdrawal from Afghanistan. The sharks sense blood in the water and our military is preoccupied trying to figure out what restroom to use. No, leftists are on the wane!
     
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    His personality = his illegal actions.
    Sure you may have loved what he did (which was what exactly?)
    But many are sickened by his refusal to accept that he lost the 2020 election and the illegal actions he took to try and maintain power. They are sick of the fact that every time we turn around, it seems, another trove of classified documents are found stashed at Mar-a-Lago. They are sick of the violence his followers continue to engage in at his request. They are sick of his lies.

    Are you saying that getting a wall with Mexico that Mexico will pay for (Hahahahahaha!) is worth that crap?
     
  23. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps you are satisfied with the world stage at present. Your side said Trump would get us into a war but his term was pretty peaceful considering the stage we are now in.....closer to nuclear war than anytime since the Cuban Missile Crises. Problem is Biden's weakness telegraphed.
    Perhaps you like the current inflation rate compared to that under Trump. Biden owns it.
    Perhaps you are comfortable that Biden had classified documents in his Corvette as VP and until today. He also stored them on College campuses and his summer home. Funny thing about that, a VP is not even permitted to remove or declassify those documents, but Joe did.
    The violence and destruction of right wing groups certainly pales in comparison of the "peaceful protests" spurred on after George Floyds death by left wing activists.
    Sure, there was illegal activity in the Jan. 6th excursion and a lot of it spurred on by Capitol Police and undercover FBI. The ONLY fatality that day was an unarmed women, a veteran, who was shot by a black police officer who had no reason to believe she endangered his life.....it was murder by any definition.
    The election WAS fixed.....if only for the reason of the FBI intimidating leftist media to withhold Hunter's laptop and lying that it was false Russian misinformation. It has since been proven to be true and exposes the corruption of the "Biden Crime Syndicate". Had this been known prior to the election, it would have been Trump hands down.
    The wall was nearly completed. Mexico would have paid for it through withheld aid of various sorts and trade practices. A business man such as Trump know how to do that. Ask any border enforcement agent and they will tell you the lives that wall would have saved through enforcement and the stay in Mexico policy that Biden ended. You like fentanyl?? Enough said there.
    Biden and most Democrat politicians have leeched off the government and never ran a payroll in their life. They don't understand how to deal hard with foreign leaders. America is being sold out by the day and I can't understand why you are so happy with that. Maybe you buy the line the world is going to end any day due to climate change.
     
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    So much to go over but we can start with this.
    What makes you think the VP does not have the power to declassify documents?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You had me do a little extra research here. I knew the VP did not have the same authority as the President but apparently it is a little more complicated than that. Perhaps there was some leeway for Biden however the hypocrisy in which he accused Trump is overwhelming. This is what I found:
    The Vice President’s Declassification Authority

    By Steven Aftergood • February 16, 2006

    “Is it your view that a Vice President has the authority to declassify information?” Vice President Cheney was asked yesterday by Fox News’ Brit Hume.

    “There is an executive order to that effect,” replied the Vice President.

    This was a simple answer to a straightforward question, but the matter is actually a bit more complicated.

    The executive order in question is E.O. 13292 on classified national security information, issued by President Bush in March 2003.

    It states in section 1.3 that “The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by: (1) the President and, in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President; (2) agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal Register…”

    Remarkably, the phrase “and, in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President,” which dramatically elevates the Vice President’s classification authority to that of the President, was added to the executive order in 2003.

    Prior to that, the Vice President only had classification authority comparable to that of an agency head, having been delegated such authority in a 1995 presidential order.

    So much for classification authority. What about declassification?

    Declassification authority is defined in Section 6.1(l) of E.O. 13292. It is granted to: “(1) the official who authorized the original classification…; (2) the originator’s current successor in function; (3) a supervisory official of either; or (4) officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official.”

    So the Vice President has authority to declassify anything that he himself classified. He also clearly has authority to declassify anything generated in the Office of the Vice President, which he supervises.

    But is the Vice President, like the President, “a supervisory official” with respect to other executive branch agencies such as the CIA? Did the 2003 amendment to the executive order which elevated the Vice President’s classification authority also grant him declassification authority comparable to the President’s?

    “The answer is not obvious,” said one executive branch expert on classification policy.

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