Donald Trump's administration is after Julian Assange and it serves as a warning to us all

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  1. TomFitz

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    In case you haven’t noticed, Trump has no loyalty to anyone.
     
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    That would be ridiculous if Assange released the DNC eMails at Trump's behest. He could and will testify.
     
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    1) Conspiracy is, and Mueller made it clear that he used the word interchangable with what the left wing referred to as collusion. He made it clear nobody from the Trump campaign did either. Read the read, and watch his testimony.
    2) Ok....you can call meeting with a foreign national from a rival Govt intel agency whatever you like...it's still doing just what you falsely accused the Trump campaign of doing.
    3) You can call me callign your hypocrisy out whataboutism...but it doesn't change what it is. Nor does it change the fact Mueller found the Trump camapign did no such thing. I never really expected the left to accept the Mueller report. You thankfully confirm that.
     
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    I do not recall any time in which the Mueller report or Mueller himself used these terms interchangably.

    Taht is clearly false. As Mueller has been very very specific about the terminology he uses.

    The fact that this meeting was called specifically to receive “dirt” on an opponent given by people who represented themselves as connected with the intelligence services of a country that is in the process of attacking the United States is not in dispute.

    Indeed, Don Jr’s e-mails confirm that was their intent.

    It will be interesting to see how you Trumpsters try and spin the Stone trial. He is one of the keys to the whole thing.

    You can’t deny what took place (at least the parts we know about). So you’re reduced to trying to parse the meanings of words and making outright false statements.

    The testimony made it clear taht the Russians interefered in the 2016 election on a massive scale. And the record makes clear that the Trump campaign actively and enthusiastically tried to profit from that fact. And they made it abundantly clear what their intent was.

    Then we have the communications between Stone and Assange.
     
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    You should read it then....he discusses it pretty early on....he also makes the obvious conclusion that he and his campaign were falsely accused early on. He did so again at the hearing he testified in. It's like you simply refuse to review the obvious conclusions of the investigation...rather odd.

    Mueller goes into detail about why the Don Jr meeting was a nothing burger...again I suggest you read it. It's clear you haven't.

    I agree the Russians interferred in the 2016 election, largely due to the DNC not following warnings to upgrade their security and the Obama Admin not being prepared to handle cyrber security.

    What's to sign about the Stone trial? and there were no communciations between he and Assange...at least none highlighted in the Mueller Report. With that said Assange isn't Russian....he's a "journalist" that it sounds like published some very damaging information about the corruption within the DNC, which of course hurt their chances of winning. Imagine that....
     
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    Since he had installed Russian supplied encryption software on his devices shortly before the first dump, and he spoke to Roger Stone about the same time, and since various Trump officials had also met with Russians prior to that period, and this was AFTER the Trump Tower Meeting, and AFTER Paul Manafort shared strategy and polling documents from the campaign with Russian operatives..........
     
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  9. struth

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    Manfort never met with Russian operatives...he met with a Ukrainian that was a former employee and showed some polling data. There has been nothing highlighting Stone met with Assange or spoke with him, moreover he wasn't part of the campaign.

    This is all well publicly known information.

    The Mueller report found no conspiracy, collusion or coordination...whatever you want to call it...it's in the Mueller Report:

    "We investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian Government in its election interference activities"

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion#synonyms
     
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    The Ukrainian was a Russian operative. You’re playing games now, and you’re not very good at it.

    Manafort has been Moscow’s man for quite some time. And the Ukrainian you’re trying to pretend wasn’t’ Russian has well known ties to the FSB and the KGB before that. Which is why I was shocked when Trump announced that he was going to be his campaign manager.

    Oh, and you conveniently failed to mention that the offer to share information was originally made by Manafort to Oleg Deripashka, who IS a Russian and IS closely associated with Vladimir Putin.
     
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    I'm playing no games, he is Ukrainian and used to work for Manafort's company. Moreover polling data isn't some state secret....polls are published daily

    Manafort has not been convicted of anything relating to Moscow, and never worked for the Russian Govt. I wasn't surprised the President fired him after it was quickly learned of his potential crimes, nor that he was hired...Manafort has a long history with the DC Swamp....heck Sanders and Clintons people used to be on his staff.
     
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    Are you sure they want Assange to prosecute him?
     
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    The reality is, Russian trolling has very little effect compared to the MSM outright bias and lies day in day out. They went haywire in 08 when Obama was elected, and then went bat **** crazy in 2016 once Trump started threatening their well crafted agenda. In a single swoop Trump destroyed their narrative, with few resources and money when you think of campaigning. It was a direct slap to the face to everything they stand for and it drove them truly insane.

    Foreign social media accounts creating chaos and anger is a bigger threat now. When they can organize groups to protest across the street from each other with the intent of violence, that's when we need to start droning these little pissants in their basements, if they can be found. Its basically an act of war and at the minimum, social terrorism.
     
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    Internal polls conducted for Presidential campaigns are NOT published daily. Ridiculous!

    It’s a campaign secret. You really are going downhill fast.

    Can you imagine the same polling data on the front of the New York Times in the middle of an election? I want to see what kind of rationalization you can come up for the fact that you might see a problem with that (the Trump campaign certainly would) but NOT with Russian intelligence being handed the same data.

    BTW, what were the Russians supposed to do with it, if there was no collusion? Paper the walls, maybe?????

    I’m not even going to bother with your ridiculous parsing of Manafort’s conviction, which were financial crimes directly associated with his business dealings with the Russians.

    And he was Moscow’s man, surely as he was Viktor Yukoshenko’s man.

    You’re making a fool of yourself with this, now.

    I knew who Paul Manafort was, and who he was working before before Barack Obama was elected the first time. That’s why it amazed me that Trump made him campaign manager. But then, I also knew that he had been Roger Stone’s business partner before he discovered shilling for Moscow in the Ukraine.

    You weren’t surprised that Manafort was hired. Evidently, you didn’t know who he was. I did.

    And yes, he is a classic “Swamp Creature”. He started out in the Young Republicans with such bright lights as Grover Nordquist, Carl Rove. Ralph Reed, “Casino Jack” Abramoff, and the aforementioned Roger Stone.

    As I noted, Manafort was Roger Stone’s business partner in the 1980’s. Stone was already Trump’s mentor at that point, he and Roy Cohn.

    Please don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by trying to pretend that Donald Trump didn’t know exactly who and what Paul Manafort was when he installed him. He was almost certainly given the job on Stone’s recommendation, and Trump almost certainly has known Manafort since Reagan was in the White House.

    So, the very idea that Trump “fired him because he quickly learned of his crimes”, is just the most ridiculous of nonsense.
     
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    And Wikileaks was the darling of the left before they published the Hillary emails why shouldn't Trump have loved them he was a private citizen then not the top government official who is charged with enforcing any applicable laws against Assange? Would you be happier if he didn't? And Assange hasn't been charged with anything to do with those emails as far as I know. His problems are with the Manning espionage and did he encourage or abet it.
     
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    This coming from the man who believes everything said by the very embodiment of rule #1
     
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    I'm playing no games, he is Ukrainian and used to work for Manafort's company.

    Manafort has not been convicted of anything relating to Moscow, and never worked for the Russian Govt. I wasn't surprised the President fired him after it was quickly learned of his potential crimes, nor that he was hired...Manafort has a long history with the DC Swamp....heck Sanders and Clintons people used to be on his staff.
    They belong to the campaign and can be made public whenever they want to make them public and share them with whoever they want. They aren't state secrets. People can share them with co-workers, friends etc.

    Viktor Yukoshenko is Ukrine. He hired Manafort, Clinton's Podesta Group, and Sander's campaign manager as well.
    they are property of the campaign and shared with whoever and whenever the campaign wants to. Including the public

    He was the Ukraine president, he hired manadort, Clinton’s campaign manager, and sanders as well
     
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    If you've read any of Manning's recent statements, you would see that he objects to the GJ in general, and he's not the only one to think that way.

    His current situation shows how this is an authoritarian and fascist state, nothing more.
     
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    If you read ... my posts ... you'll see that I view the case against Assange as being "flimsy". Until the DOJ is forced to submit tangible evidence to the court in order to obtain an extradition order, it's impossible to know what the DOJ has. Mannings "feelings" are less that worthless.
     
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    cant he just pardon assagne after he gets convicted ?
    would really blow up alot of liberal heads
     
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    The topic is about Assange being accused of espionage. He released emails from her servers, don't try to deny it.
    https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/
    My point isn't whether they came from her server or not, since the hacked emails did not come from a government server, and he isn't the one doing the hacking, I don't think the charge of espionage is valid.
     
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    All of our feelings, yours and mine included, are worthless.

    Subjectively they have meaning, but objectively they are worthless.

    If the DOJ had such a solid case against Assange, why do they need Manning to tidy things up?

    The cases against both men are legal sophistries, and informed individuals understand this.
     
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    They were not hacked, the material was leaked. So says a career NSA man named Binney, and others, who became whistleblowers regarding the criminal activity of their government. That's a lot of credibility.

    Hillary, the DNC, and perjurers in high appointed office have no credibility.
     
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    From what I've seen, the DOJ needs testimony from Manning becaust intercepted communications don't include any directions, or promises of rewards, for stealing intel. I can't imagine the DOJ winning extradition based on the exchanges I've seen between Manning and Assange. Worth mentioning that a DNC lawsuit filed against Trump / Assange was just dismissed by a federal judge. The judges ruling clearly affirmed that Assange was immune from liabilities because he was a journalist, protected by the 1st A
     
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    Lock him up, throw away the key.

    May he rot in hell.
     

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