Dr Don Easterbrook Exposes Climate Change Hoax

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by DDT, Jun 18, 2017.

  1. Lesh

    Lesh Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    42,206
    Likes Received:
    14,119
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But upside is so SURE he is right. In act he'll agree with himself for the next 30 posts!
     
  2. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    4,478
    Likes Received:
    1,195
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The amount of heat needed to raise the temperature of a piece of mass is:
    sρA dx ∂T (x, t) dt

    ρA dx is the mass. So heat and temperature are *not* the same.

    If you will look at the reference you provided it includes "MASS". The conversion table is based on the heat required to raise ONE POUND of water by 1degC. The conversion table won't work for any other mass.

    As usual, you have nothing of import to offer on the subject. Why do you even bother? Trolls are never liked.
     
  3. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    4,478
    Likes Received:
    1,195
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    GO AWAY, TROLL! You know nothing of thermodynamics.
     
  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    upside222 likes this.
  5. iamanonman

    iamanonman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    4,826
    Likes Received:
    1,576
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The specific heat capacities of both air and water don't change much over the range of temperatures and pressures commonly seen in the biosphere. Yes, I know water vapor has a significantly higher specific capacity than dry air, but since even saturated air has mixing ratios in the 10's g/kg the difference between dry and moist air are negligible in terms of total heat retained. And since the mass of both qualities is relatively stable temperature should be an adequate proxy for the total amount heat retained. Well, I should say a true time weighted mean temperature should be an adequate proxy. Using just daily high or low temperatures will not work very well though unless you adjust the data to compensate for various diurnal effects. Using the daily low and high together does at least retain some of the "mean" information encoded in it. That's actually how cooling degree days and heating degree days is calculated. The amount of energy required to cool your house in the summer or warm it in the winter is more closely related to CDD and HDD than to either the daily high or low individually. CDD and HDD are still a proxies for the mean temperature though and is a form of "manipulating" the data according to many on here so it probably shouldn't be favored for skeptics. But, the irony is that skeptics love to use daily highs only which is an even worse proxy for the mean temperature.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2017
  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    42,817
    Likes Received:
    18,847
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And, of course, I didn't say that they were. But as is usual when you're against the ropes, you change the subject.
     
  7. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    6,467
    Likes Received:
    2,201
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's a contributing reason, but it's not the primary reason. My backyard doesn't heat up to desert temperatures on a cloudless day, even though it's at the same latitude as some deserts. That's because my back yard is evaporating a lot of water.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2017
  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,134
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Has any alarmist stopped even one time to wonder why there are deserts at some latitude yet prior and following the desert, there are no deserts?
     
  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,134
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Do we all agree that the temperature from the Sun is the same at the two poles as in deserts?
     
  10. Lesh

    Lesh Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    42,206
    Likes Received:
    14,119
    Trophy Points:
    113
    WHAT...are you babbling about?
     
  11. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    6,467
    Likes Received:
    2,201
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Instead of trolling with such stupid questions, you might try to assemble enough courage to make some kind of point directly.

    Start by answering your own question. If you're as smart as you're pretending to be, that should be no problem.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2017
  12. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Messages:
    11,109
    Likes Received:
    6,792
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Also when the ground is covered with plants or an organic mulch soil temps are much lower. Any gardener or farmer worth his salt knows this.
     
  13. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,134
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I had first to locate alarmists credentials. I was not however seeking attacks.

    Do you often ask others questions rather than give your own answers first?
     
  14. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    4,478
    Likes Received:
    1,195
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Of course you did! You said "Only because, as usual, you are wrong. They are interchangeable."

    Heat and temperature are *NOT* interchangeable. They are *NOT* equal. I gave you the equation that relates the two. My guess is that you don't know enough math to understand it!

    You are a TROLL. You offer nothing legitimate to the discussion at *all*.
     
  15. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    4,478
    Likes Received:
    1,195
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But soil temps are not atmosphere temps. The plants and mulch not only block heat from the ground but it also lowers the amount of IR radiation the earth can generate.
     
  16. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    42,817
    Likes Received:
    18,847
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure did. And I sent a link to a calculator that does that. Oh! I know... It's a Main Stream Media page, right? And therefore a lie..

    Forget it! Not interested!
     
  17. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Messages:
    11,109
    Likes Received:
    6,792
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But it will in large areas moderate day and night temperatures.
     
  18. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you think deserts get cold at night due to evaporation?

    BTW: Deserts are where they are due to latitude and Hadley cells. A matter of circulation. Look it up.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2017
  19. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Messages:
    11,109
    Likes Received:
    6,792
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Hadley Cells do not explain all deserts. Stop it!
     
  20. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Actually, they due. Look it up.
     
    upside222 likes this.
  21. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    4,478
    Likes Received:
    1,195
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Interchangeable doesn't mean you can *calculate* one from the other. They are *not* interchangeable.

    Your effort at rehabilitating yourself is noted however.
     
  22. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    4,478
    Likes Received:
    1,195
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Which is why Freeman Dyson says current climate models are misleading. They do not take into account the entire environment, including the growth in the green area the earth has seen since 1980, about 13%.
     
  23. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They also poorly represent cloud formation and cover since that is still not fully understood so use parameters that cover 100 mile square areas.
     
  24. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    4,478
    Likes Received:
    1,195
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So the granularity is poor?
     
  25. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Very. Also, the formation of clouds cannot be modeled due to lack of knowledge and also lack of computing power.
     
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2017
    upside222 likes this.

Share This Page