Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Your very statement proves how disorganized whiners who complain are.
    Waaa. Have drama queens ever been in the service and fought in a shooting war or are still fighting the cancer effects of agent orange ?

    I guarantee getting audited is nothing compared to it...when it comes time to follow a government order.
    Boo boo. Maybe you should do a little more work to see what triggered the audits.
     
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    That’s the way it always starts out, simple, straight forward. Like a simple pollution law that describes what you can and can’t dump and where. Some one comes along and literally “packages” the pollutant differently to get by the regulation in place, and it’s back to the drawing boards Then, you get the Trumps of the world trying to game the system in place, and over time, the regulations start getting pretty complicated.

    Complicated regs are a response to determined criminals,
     
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    And your statement continues to prove you have never been through an audit.

    I've never claimed to have been in the military, and your statement has absolutely nothing to do with the subject being discussed, which continues to support my statement that you have no knowledge or understanding what is involved with an audit.
     
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    Wrong. Everyone puts themselves into a position of being held accountable by a government action. Whether it be owning and operating a business, enlisting in the service or driving a car.

    You can get pulled over and held accountable by driving a car, you can be told to climb into a burning aircraft to extricate a pilot by the government if you enlist. You chose to operate a business or whatever triggered the audit.. Stop complaining about it.
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    I guarantee, many would rather have the luxury of being audited. Whining about it is Trumpism. Being prepared for an audit is everyone’s responsibility. Own it and quit complaining about our responsibility’s . Conservatives need to “man up.” or maybe that’s “ woman up” so they are better prepared.
     
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    Exactly when did I 'whine' about anything? It's a part of doing business, which you don't seem to understand.

    The point was that a business person doesn't have to do anything wrong for it to happen, another thing you don't seem to understand. You don't normally get pulled over driving a car, unless you have done something to require it so that is not equivalent.

    You just called me a conservative. Is that what makes you combative? If the fact that someone is business oriented, and understands that less government intrusion when nothing is done wrong, makes them a conservative, then you need to have a good long talk with Bill Gates and a few other liberal billionaires.
     
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    There are costs of doing business. You have to pay taxes on the business, file taxes on employees, perhaps you have to buy insurance for your employees, you have to provide safe working environment, you may have to pay sales tax depending on your business, etc., etc., etc.

    I'm not sure what your point is here.

    Did you think nobody was going to check up on whether you do that?
     
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    You need to get a grip. Getting audited is not unusually. If you’re shaking in your boots, you weren’t prepared .
     
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    Really. You know there were no triggers ?
     
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    Sometimes regs get complicated because the punishment for violating regulations isn't sufficient to deter bad behavior that includes trying to game the system. Large corporations especially are not only ripping off the public, but they're trying to squash smaller competitors. Amazon, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook come to mind.
     
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    Exactly. Some of the “best” legal minds in the world are hired by these corporations to do just that, trying to game the system and become giant conglomerates. .

    Its like, some of the most qualified chemists and engineers are hired by the fast food industry to make people literally get “ hooked” on their foods. It’s become a very sophisticated approach to fight govt regs. You combine that with out and out bribery of political officials, it’s tough.
     
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    What we need to do is make it a total waste of time and money to hire a bunch of lawyers in an attempt to skirt the rules.
    You hit on my wife's pet peeve--she taught foods & nutrition to high school students for more than three decades.
    It is tough, but as citizens we should persevere.
     
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    Please quit putting words out there as though I used them. Address what I actually post, or not at all.

    I have not indicated, by word or inflection, that I ever 'quaked in my boots'. The time and labor to put together information required for an audit (labor or sales tax) is expensive and exhausting. It is nothing but job validation, as there is no justifiable reason to perform an audit when it is easy enough to verify information provided in the regular course of businesses filings, comparison to prior years filings, and industry averages.
     
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    There were no triggers of our making in 6 out of 7. #7 was a disgruntled ex-employee who thought she would make life interesting for us. Since there were no problems found on 5 out of 7, and one of sales tax audits the State ended up owing us money. The other one was because of our use of J-1 Visa students to make sure we abided by all requirements regarding pay, reporting and taxes.

    Any other questions you would like answered?
     
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    You seem all upset about something every business needs to be prepared for. The information your talking about is standard fair for a prepared business. Nope, I doubt you’re Gates. If you can’t back up your filings with easily retrievable information, that’s your problem not the IRS. The time for an audit to be complete should mostly be on their part,
     
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    Dig out sales information and sales tax filings, exemption forms included for 113 multi-state locations or time records and related pay records for 1500 employees from same locations, for a three year time span (or more for sampling), and get back to me. Let me know how much time and man-power is involved, and the cost of it.

    And just to prove that you still have no comprehension, the IRS is not the auditing agency for any of the above.
     
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    This has long been a problem with me too. Going into a gymnasium for a game and seeing Pepsi advertised on donated score boards lead a small group of concerned parents to address how school supplies were funded in our area. Doing something about too time, but it worked. Donations shouldn’t be by makers of poison. The ingredients in fast food would scare the Begeesus out of anyone who bothered to read the labels and investigate the source.
     
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    Aha. So what agency are we talking about ?
     
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    Insidious. Our school district got rid of the sugary drinks in the cafeterias. We never tolerated advertising on scoreboards.
    It's no accident our poor people tend to obesity.
     
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    For labor, either or both Federal and State Department of Labor. For sales tax, State Department of Revenue.
     
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    Exactly.

    You would be hard pressed to find a store in a poorer area that sold healthy foods as cheap as the crap they can buy. If they then accidentally drop it on the side of the road, come back a week later and find it hasn’t “ spoiled”, that’s a sure sign they're getting your “daily requirement” of obese causing foods laced with carcinogens.

    Obesity and related diseases.....it is a freakin epidemic.
     
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    So, you have a problem with your state taxes.......and/or labor.
    I’m guessing you’ll be better prepared for your next audit.
     
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    No, there is no problem with our state taxes, and or labor. This where the 'educated versus non-educated' comes into play. You may know your field of endeavor, but have proven that you don't understand others. That is the way it is for most people. However you continue to attempt to spin things, not only without success, but blatantly false.

    Do you think that government entities are there to 'help' you?
     
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    Of course they are. At least they are there to protect citizens from unscrupulous behavior. Of course, it could just be you putting your own spin on the situation. It happens all, the time.
     
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    You sure as heck ain't center....keep drinking that Kool Aid.
     
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    You support your idea of progressives liking Trump according to the amount of money they are making. I'm not convinced progressive's ideas are foremost about getting rich. That's more the conservative way of thinking.
    And your statement about "dragging others down" applies more to what Trump does to people....for simply doing their job.
    How do you justify destroying government employees for doing the right thing. Those kind of people are hard to replace.
     
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