El Salvador takes in hundreds of Venezuelan gang members from US, even as judge moves to block depor

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  1. The Ant

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    The law that is being broken (or illegally employed) is that 18th century one that the Moron claims he can use.

    He can’t…

    Oh…and tattoos? Apparently, one of the guys was swept up because he was sporting a tattoo…of his mother…!
     
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    Point is our laws allow them to request amnesty. It’s not illegal to do so.
     
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    And what about those who weren’t ‘criminals’…?
     
  4. The Ant

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    How do you know that they are all “savages”? How do you know how many have committed crimes?

    Do you care…?
     
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    Who “identified” them…?
     
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    You missed the qualifier, “by any foreign nation or government”.

    In order for the president’s powers to be activated, the “predatory incursion” has to be taken by a foreign nation or government. Actions by individual citizens isn’t enough.

    To me it looks like trump’s exercise of powers under this act is illegal.
     
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    then list their names, will Trump also send defectors from North Korea back?
     
  8. FreshAir

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    what are their names and crimes?

    do you really know anythign about it?
     
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    They are Venezuelan nationals, so why not send them back to Venezuela? Why send them to a third party?
    1. What crimes did they commit in El Salvador for El Salvador to imprison them on arrival? Do they get a trial there, it would be for committing a crime in another country right?
    2. Why not send them back to Venezuela where they are from?
    3. If they committed crimes that warrant prison sentences in the US why are they not in jail here?
     
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    Even if they were criminals, it sets a terrible precedent for other countries especially the ones considered enemies of the US. Could someone from country A be simply accused of a crime in country B, then sent to a third party human rights violating country C and be used as a political hostage pawn for country B over country A?
     
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    And this is why people voted for Trump!
     
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    Since Venezuela sends illegal immigrants who are criminals to America and then refuses to take them back, what should America do?

    The options are:
    1. Invade and topple their government.
    2. Naval blockade.
    3. Execution of all illegal criminals from Venezuela.
    4. Deport illegal criminals to a 3rd state willing to take them.

    America does not have a duty to accept criminals from other countries. It is an act of war and should be treated as such.

    The images of those criminals being frog marched into prison will put an absolute stop to all illegal immigration from Venezuela. It is all matter of incentives. If you reward bad behavior, you will get more of it. If you punish bad behavior harshly, you will get much less of it.
     
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  13. The Ant

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    No….Option 1 should read….

    1. Establish, through due process, that an individual has actually committed a crime, before satisfying your blood lust…!
     
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    Nah, I am not down with due process (which has a 10 year backlog) for illegals. If you are illegal, you get deported. Currently, the people with power agree with me and not you. Always remember that might makes right. You have the right to be unhappy about this but it will not stop it from happening. America is much better off for it happening. The only immigration to America that is valid is immigration that benefits it. The American government is there to represent and protect Americans, not invading 3rd world hordes.

    Don't worry, when the Democrats get power again, they will open the doors wide open again. This is just a bump in the road on their way to destroying America.
     
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    The proclamation states TdA worked in coordination with the Maduro regime in Venezuela. Trump has the sole discretion to make TdA a terrorist group and to proclaim their partnership with a foreign nation. It is not up to a judge to decide otherwise. They do not determine foreign policy.
     
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    It is a law. It is not up to Trump to interpret the law. That is the job of the courts.
    It is certainly within the jurisdiction of the courts to determine whether a foreign nation or government has made a predatory incursion into the USA, if that is what triggers POTUS’ powers.
     
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    Sounds like they want them back, and they have been taking them back or at least did last month.
    Your post conflicts with itself, is Venezuela sending criminals? If they are then execute them as you say in 3, they are not illegal criminals at that point they are foreign agents working for another government. If they are just illegals who have a criminal record in Venezuela you send them back home or imprison them here if they committed a crime that warrants a jail or prison sentence.
    How will this stop illegal immigration from Venezuela if the government itself is sending them? Or are they just illegal immigrants running from Venezuela?
     
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    The best part of all these CRAZY Liberals going out of their minds about deporting and sending illegal criminal Gang members to El Salvadors MAGA Prison, are all these Video clips of Democratic Nonsense! are going to make GREAT! campaign videos for the Midterm and Presidential elections in 2028. Liberals are giving the Republicans Lots! and Lots! of material to use against them :roflol: But! in the meantime, I'm just going to enjoy the next 4 MAGAnificent years of watching President Trump go to work on all these nutcases and watching the Democratic part fall into the Abyss,
     
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    Why send them back to Venezuela? Why do you think Venezuela sent them here in the 1st place? Why should American citizens pay for their trials and incarcerations? We have greedy lawyers here and progressive judge's that would like to see them free. These are now designated as foreign terrorists and should be treated as such. Do you have any concern for those who have been raped and terrorized by this gang? Did they get a fair trial before they were victimized?
     
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    What do you know?
     
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    Question is, do you care? Did Biden care? Would you like to defend these savages? How do you know they didn't? This is what happens when you have a puppet administration allowing invaders to come here illegally and unvetted. They all must go and terrorists must be punished. They are not citizens. They invaded illegally at the very least. Have you not the stomach for the justice they deserve? So you think terrorists should have the same rights as American citizens? Wonder what Laken Riley's Mom would say about that? Why don't you pull out the excuse card and say Trump is breaking up families? You might say some of these military age men identify as Moms to make it valid.
     
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    Give it a rest. You'd like to treat these foreign terrorist invaders as if they were American citizens. Not happening. We are not a globalist nation.
     
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    1. We should send them back to Venezuela because that is where they are from, the government there says they want them back as I have posted, they took back migrants last month as I have also posted.
    2. Did Venezuela send them here? What does that even mean? Like the Government of Venezuela slipped them here on purpose? Has that been proven, I have not seen it as justification in this matter.
    3 & 4. What do you mean we are not paying for it? This is not free, and its temporary at that. The lawyers and judge's will still be active on this matter over the year they are held there.
    5. If these are foreign terrorists sent here as you say by Venezuela that is a completely different matter. Its not been determined if they are running from the Venezuelan government or justice system, or even if they are current or former gang members. If they are foreign agent terrorists which would make them enemies of the state we have places to send them like Guantanamo Bay. It really would be a whole other matter.
    6. Yes I have concern for victims of crimes ect. ect. I am not saying we should not prosecute these people if they have committed crimes here, I am only questioning why are we sending Venezuelans to El Salvador for imprisonment? We should prosecute them here if it is warranted, or send them back to Venezuela.
     
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    unlike MAGA, I am not claiming to know, I am asking questions, what do you know?
     
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    Said every tinpot dictator and fascist regime in history…
     

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