Elizabeth Warren Says ‘Cost’ Of Medicare For All Could Be 2 Million Lost Jobs

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  1. lpast

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    Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren admitted Wednesday that Medicare for All could result in two million lost jobs.

    In an interview with New Hampshire Public Radio, the Democratic presidential contender said she concurs with a study from the University of Massachusetts-Amherst that said socialized medicine would probably have a devastating impact on the those working in the current private health care industry.

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/31/elizabeth-warren-admits-cost-medicare-two-million-lost-jobs/
     
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    By design. They go on welfare and become dependent on the state guaranteeing more votes for the left. It’s how Venezuela become so great. Wait whoops!!!
     
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    Your reply is quite cynical, but there is still enough truth to it to make me uncomfortable.

    First the left buys votes with "free sh*t". Then they force people into positions where they need "free sh*t", which sucks more people into their dependency camp. Lovely :(
     
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    Yes it’s cynical but it follows a long running sequence of actions that have been going on. What it doesn’t account for is money generation. If too few are creating anything because everyone is working for the govt and the money is just being passed back and forth it all comes crumbling down. That’s what happened in Venezuela. They’re the blueprint. Soviet Union as well.

    Just listen to their words and follow
    the actions. They’re promoting thought police. Shutting down free speech they don’t agree with. Controlling the vast majority of media and education. Want large corporations controlling communication and information broken up with state control. Completely unwilling to hear or listen to conflicting view points. Prefer a disarmed populace. Socialize All healthcare. Open up the borders with little standard as to who can come and go.

    They want everyone by the balls so if you don’t think, speak or act as they see fit, you’re cancelled. That’s what China does. It’s not fun over there unless you’re Really wealthy. Some Democrats have actually considered social currency like China has implemented. That is scary as ****!!! It is a 1984 nightmare.

    A dependent population is easy to control. England tried it until we said screw you. Hard to say screw you when you have no means to fight back.
     
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    So, the good news, for Warren, is that she is calculating that those 2 Million jobs wouldn't have voted for her anyways, so why does she care that she would be viewed as actually punishing those who wouldn't vote for her......
     
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    Free healthcare to go along with free money, free food, free education and free housing.
    Where will we find the people who will drag themselves out of bed each morning to go to a job they don't like so they can pay for other people to enjoy the lifestyle Warren is promising?
     
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    Don't forget that these Democrat free stuff promises include any foreign national that makes it to America. You will compete with foreign nationals for services in America that Americans pay for.

    Raise your hand if you want Americans to pay for the healthcare and welfare of any foreign national that makes it to America...
    [​IMG]
     
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    Job loss has been going on for a long time. Look what robots/automation has done to the labor market. It's impacted all repetitive labor jobs to one degree or another. Just look what it's done to automobile assembly lines. Those people loosing their assembly line jobs seem to have been absorbed by today's labor market. I would expect the same thing to happen with jobs being lost in the current health industry.
     
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    Most likely true, it would remove duplicative positions, administration would be scaled bad drastically, medical insurance coding would be completely dissolved. This is how we get our healthcare costs under control.

    To the people seizing on this, should we force jobs that are not necessary — increasing costs for everyone — so that unneeded positions are filled?
     
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    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...hecking-trump-ad-democrats-health-care-immig/
     
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    Job losses aren't necessarily negative. E.g, lets say that all crime and violence ceased for some reason. We would lose tens of millions of jobs of police officers, judges, lawyers, soldiers, jobs related to weapons and defense, and property repair. But then people would have all this free money to spend on other things.

    However, if the job losses happened because government regulations put people out of business and made it impossible to stay in business, and that saved money just went to increased costs, or other ventures that weren't so good, then that is a loss.
     
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    1) Most of the proposals are not “free” — they are paid for by payroll taxes which means illegals that are employed would be paying for it.
    2) Several of the proposals are insurance based and not government plans, meaning they would be paid for by the individual
    3) Several would require co-pay’s meaning it isn’t “free”

    For the record before you accuse me of being an illegal immigrant supporter;
    I think every illegal in the country should be rounded up, deported, and our border armed.
    National everify with massive penalties for the employer based on a multiplying percentage of their gross income.
    No healthcare, no ability to rent, drive, or obtain utilities.
     
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    M4A has ZERO Chance of getting through Congress (even if Liz is Elected).

    So, her statements are a Moot Point.:salute:
     
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    He's absolutely right.

    This is why Democrat areas are high in welfare, and high in crime.

    You have to keep voting for the people feeding you, and death is always a driveby away.

    Democrats measure success by how large the welfare fund is.

    Conservatives measure success by how many people no longer need welfare.
     
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    So foreign nationals using fraudulent Identification will help pay for it... that makes it better.

    And those who can't afford it will get it for free.

    Unless they can't afford it, then it's free.

    What do you think of Democrats who want to take down the walls we have and respect no borders?
     
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    1. LoL you think illegal aliens who steal other people's identity to get a job are paying into taxes and it's enough to pay for the amount of welfare and resources they're sucking up.

    2. Yeah, that was called "obamacare". What a hair on fire project that was.

    3. You think the people on the government nipple are going to be paying their co-pays. Oh man.

    If you're voting for Democrats, you are voting for illegal aliens. Bottom line.
     
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    I wish. Prevention is the only way to get our medical costs under control. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Americans weren't fatter and sicker than ever. First, tax payers are forced to pay for what is making people sick, when we are forced to pay for the pharm products to keep them sick. We need to go in the completely opposite direction. The question is who is going to stand up to the powerful pharm companies and companies like Pepsi Co who enjoy record profits from tax dollars? Republicans? Democrats?
     
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    Why would medical coding end? They currently are required to report that to Medicare. Unless you are suggesting that we go to government clinics for all, much of the above would still be in place.
     
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    Of course changing to socialized medicine will cost millions of Jobs in the healthcare sector. When this massive - multi Trillion dollar - corporate welfare program is ended - these corporations will have to lay people off -and the impact to individuals will be devastating.

    My question to you is - how is this - overall- a bad thing ? If you have someone on welfare that is being paid 50,000 a year .. and reduce that payment to 1000/year .. this person is devastated - until they find another Job.

    The question not being addressed here - is - why was welfare paying that person 50,000 to begin with ?
     
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    No, but it dismantles the argument made

    Under most of the proposals, kind of — they still pay sales tax, fuel tax and a myriad of other taxes. But you are mostly correct.

    I don’t believe a wall alone will work — it will end some, slow down others, but it will do nothing to get rid of the largest issue which is the ones already here and the draw of our country. I wish I had a viable third party candidate; strong on immigration and fiscal policy but would leave social policy alone.
    I don’t agree with the left on many issues but I disagree with the right on much more currently.
     
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    This is fantastic news, this is a product of the fact that the Media Industrial Complex has completely lost the ability to format their message.

    Calling things "Right Wing Talking Points" has clearly not worked, all it does is make people trust the less and less.

    Now with the truth coming out for their policies, we will see what the American people really think. Is more 'Socialism' bad? I think so, but it's definitely worth a discussion in our mixed economy.

    But that is not the problem, the problem is the Deep State which for decades has controlled both sides.

    The Tea Party and Trump revolution kicked MOST of them out of the Republican Party. Sanders tried with the Democrats in 2016, but while the Bush machine had been thoroughly kicked out of the Right, the Clinton machine was stronger than ever.

    They lied, cheated and stole from Bernie to make sure he lost ....

    But Left Wing anti-Deep Stater's are waking up, until this is solved, there will be a massive split aka "civil war" within the Democratic Party, they cannot win with this going on.

    The Deep State will destroy the Democratic Party until they finally get rid of it
     
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    With all these job losses, it amazes me that the Democrats desire to flood the country with immigrants. If there are not enough jobs for our current citizens, why do they think there will be enough jobs for immigrants?

    Also, flooding the market with too much labor will drive wages down - supply versus demand...
     
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    Think about it. Unemployment is at an all time low. You can't have it both ways.
     
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    People trained in the healthcare industry that lose their job cant replace it and in the lionshare of cases wont replace the salary, the medicaid thing is a separate issue. the issue is every bum, junky, dope dealer, petty criminal, felon that doesnt pay a dime in taxs gets it all for free along with Illegal immigrants.

    I dont see how you can even think that it will be covered by people no longer on medicaid
     
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