Elon Musk’s Past Donations Reveals Millions to GOP Groups Tied to Stephen Miller

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  1. Shutcie

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    But what is really telling?

    Who but a liberal would defend and champion waste, fraud, and corruption in government.
     
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    Soros bought a dozen (at least) District Attorneys across the country; their common trait is RORing violent and repeat offenders who walk out the door and continue to rampage.
     
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    Is Soros part of the government? Like I said, this election opens the door for billionaires to actively be part of our government.

    Exciting time for America!
     
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    I haven't heard anything from the DNC except how radical RFK Jr is when trying to discuss health care.
     
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    #What'sMyAgeAgain?
     
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    Financing hoards of WOKE prosecutors makes him a virtual part of government.
     
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    Once you get the order, shut up!
     
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    Irrelevant since Musk didn't have anything to do with creating the subsidies. They're entirely progressive vote buying.

    But it just so happens that he's been in the EV business for 20 years before Obama decided that we have to ban internal combustion engines by 2035 and sic'd EPA on making that happen. The result, given that Tesla is the only serious EV vehicle maker and is thus the only significant beneficiary of EPA's CO2 credit trading scheme, Musk and Tesla make bundles of money through no fault of their own.

    And since he's got a front row seat to the economic destruction those mandates are creating, he jumped ship from the Democrats to help Trump right the ship.

    And now that Chevron v. NRDC has fallen, it's only a matter of time before Massachusetts v. EPA also falls and takes the EV mandate with it, going back to a free market.

    Musk is apparently good with that since he's helping out. But I think that even when the mandate falls, Tesla started as the only viable EV company and I'm sure that if anybody survives, it'll be Tesla.

    By the way, EVs have been discussed extensively under the Environment & Conservation heading. I'll wager you can learn a lot there.
     
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    4. No president in history has ever sealed the border
    5. Sealing the border is impossible, it's based on fantasy, all that can be done, like fighting crime, is put a dent in the problems.
    6. Biden admin had two border bills on two different occasions, and both were rejected by Repubs.

    All facts of reality.
     
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    No it doesn't. When they start taking orders from Soros, let me know.

    The world richest person is whispering in the ears of the president. The future is bright for America.
     
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  12. Patricio Da Silva

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    Your patronizing attitude aside.....Ah, the rebuttal -- a clumsily camouflaged hymn to Elon Musk, strung together with misdirection and a sprinkling of dubious legal and economic claims. Let’s dismantle your pieces of malarkey piece by piece, shall we?

    First, the notion that subsidies are "progressive vote buying" is a lazy deflection. Subsidies for clean energy weren’t cooked up in some Democratic backroom -- they’ve historically enjoyed bipartisan support as a mechanism to transition away from fossil fuels. Musk didn’t create them, sure, but he’s been one of their most enthusiastic benefactors, milking them dry while simultaneously railing against the very government intervention that made his empire possible. If that’s not hypocrisy, what is?

    As for the EPA’s CO2 credit trading scheme supposedly making Musk a "victim of circumstance" -- let’s cut the nonsense. Tesla has actively capitalized on regulatory credits, raking in billions by selling them to automakers who can’t meet emissions standards. Musk didn’t stumble into this; he built a business model around it. The suggestion that Tesla is a passive beneficiary, rather than a savvy participant, ignores reality.

    And let’s not pretend Musk’s political shift is born of some newfound economic clarity. His "jumping ship" to support Trump wasn’t about saving the economy; it was about aligning with a party willing to gut regulations that might inconvenience him while tolerating his thin-skinned antics. This isn’t principled politics -- it’s transactional opportunism, plain and simple.

    The reference to Chevron v. NRDC and the potential fall of Massachusetts v. EPA as saviors of the “free market” is another red herring. If anything, dismantling these precedents would kneecap efforts to combat climate change, enabling more environmental degradation and consolidating power among a few corporate giants -- precisely the kind of anti-competitive behavior Musk pretends to oppose. The so-called “free market” Musk claims to embrace is one he’s already cornered, thanks to those pesky government subsidies he’s happy to decry when it suits him.

    Finally, the smug “EVs have been discussed extensively under the Environment & Conservation heading” is nothing more than an appeal to authority without substance. If your argument can’t stand on its own merits, pointing to a broader discussion elsewhere doesn’t suddenly make it valid.

    In sum, Musk’s opportunistic embrace of government largesse when it benefits him, followed by his turn against those same policies when he’s secured his advantage, exposes a glaring hypocrisy. He’s not the victim of a broken system; he’s its poster child. And if the rebutter’s best defense is that Musk simply played the hand he was dealt, let’s not forget -- he’s also been stacking the deck.
     
  13. Pieces of Malarkey

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    So, once again you're clueless. Fair enough.

    I was working in DC as this creeping crud of advancing fascism was being birthed. Fundamentally, it will happen with or without you.

    No skin off my back.
     
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    You see?
    First, your "no one has ever sealed the border" standard is silly on it's face, as you note yourself in item 2. But that isn't the debate, is it?
    And yet again you insist on bringing up brandons border bills, that we know and have demonstrated repeatedly, were not border bills, they were "pay Ukraine so they can pay the big guy" bills.

    You've drank the Kool aid from headquarters, the talking points fit your core mission of "get trump no matter what it takes" with the bonus that you can smear conservatives while you're at it.

    You don't want to discuss immigration like an adult, you want to score points and destroy the sovereignty of our country. Cause headquarters told you so.
     
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    Sorry they were border bills.
     
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    In name only.
     
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    Nope, had limits and money for patrol and immigration officials.
     
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    The fantasies you believe in are amazing.
     
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    The thing that worries me the most about this is that our space program now hinges on SpaceX. This is a very scary relationship our government is in with Musk.
     
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    Less than 17% had a single thing to do with patrol or immigration officials.
    It was a border bill in name only.
     
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    Nope, sorry.
     
  22. Shutcie

    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, assuming your claim is correct, it leaves the issue of what, exactly, the NASA space program looks like just now.
    And how Musk profits from a successful, or unsuccessful, NASA.

    Try again.
     
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    Yep, sorry.
     
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    Nope, our government doing what makes the most money for the weapons makers, is scary.
     
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    Nope, sorry.
     

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