Elon Musk predicts a stock-market crash if Trump wins!

It's definitely not about you, it's about ^^^unimpressive posts quoting others and then delving head first into pure nonsense . Joe cleaned up Trump's mess, get over it.

 

The bible cannot be 100% accurate, in every case.

How is the fact of Trump winning the 2024 election, and stepping into power, NOT by "intrigue"?

Trump is blunt, not subtle, but he and his cohorts also use subtle means, as in Trump's undying friendship with Putin and other oligarchs.

"To gain power by intrigue means to acquire influence or authority through manipulation, cunning, or secretive schemes rather than through straightforward or honorable means. This often involves deception, forming secret alliances, or undermining rivals without open confrontation. The goal is to advance one’s own position or gain control by exploiting situations, leveraging hidden agendas, and orchestrating events behind the scenes.

"Historically, intrigue has often been associated with royal courts, political settings, or corporate environments where direct confrontation may be risky, and power struggles unfold in a more subtle, indirect way."



Nobody, but nobody, in the history of the earth, ever "brought fire down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people." Elon Musk is the first! And don't suggest that rockets being fired at an enemy is the same thing. That is sending fire away to land somewhere you don't want to be. Elon Musk brought a Spacex booster, blazing with fire, from the heaven to the earth in full view of everybody. He is a genius at bringing scientists and engineers together to work on cutting-edge technology, but he is also evil.

 

This is the verse, Revelation 13:3 (NIV), which describes a beast with a mortal wound that miraculously heals, leading people to marvel and follow it. Here is the passage:

"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast."

This is a prophetic, dream-like vision of symbolic creatures and events, representing spiritual or political figures. The "wound that healed" has been interpreted as resilience or deceptive influence that captivates and misleads people.

 

American elections ARE intrigue!

Kamala was appointed the Democratic candidate, not voted in. Her fans have no complaints. They won't complain if she declares a national emergency in early January 2025 and takes over as president until further notice no matter who wins November 5.

 

That is not a common interpretation. The healing is understood to mean the beast has Christ-like ability to preform miracles, like healing fatal wounds.

 

So the actions of administration management people is meaningless because they aren't elected?

 

I never thought that conseratives would be fine with a billionaire mega donor being able to buy himself a non-existent cabinet position through the donation of 10s of millions of dollars. What has become of the Republican party?

 

This all day and night.

 

Look carefully at your next ballot. You won't see a vote regarding the federal budget anywhere on it.

The U.S. government is already owned and operated by billionaires and has been for a long time. Politicians care very much what billionaires want. Billionaires are the ones sending the lobbyists and the cash. It has also been said its the billionaires that got the politicians drunk, and when they passed out, took a picture of them lying next to a naked little boy. Now they play ball, get a fat paycheck, and those pictures stay in the vault.

The real question is, who cares what We the People want? The answer is "a few token politicians to make We the People think what they want makes a shred of difference", cause it doesn't.

 

I think most billionaires want a responsible government. The reason- in that environment, the economy and their enterprises can thrive. A mismanaged government inspires things like buying influence, bribes and creating poltical pressure- usually because you can't achieve a goal any other way.

The billionaires of our country contribute the bulk of the funding for environmental and humanitarian efforts. There are a lot more small donors, but the majority of the funding comes from the wealthy people who want to see their wealth put to the best purpose.

A corporation can thrive in a thriving economy, but not in a depressed one. The real issue is that politicians are not accountable.
Every member of Congress the president, all the primary branches of government are sworn to support and defend the constitution. Not just the part they like, but just as it's written.
NONE of them do so consistently. The judge of the conduct of a member of congress IS congress and they investigate themselves only to conclude they have done nothing wrong.
Until we find a way to have independent oversight with the power to discipline and remove those who will not live up to their oath and the rules, none of them will do so.

Influence is for sale in Washington. It's not described that way openly, but that is the fact- if you want, you have to pay for their favor. That's how business is done.
Now- the corporations don't like having to spend millions on lobbyists. It's not the customers that allow influence to be sold in Washington. It's the sellers.
A lot of members of Congress have a growth in their net worth that vastly exceeds their salary. Serving the nation appears to be serving themselves first.

IF INFLUENCE WASN'T FOR SALE IN THE FIRST PLACE- THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY BUYERS.

 

I sure don't. Socially responsible people don't become billionaires. Those who inherited it, are even less likely to be socially responsible.

Socially responsible people pay fair wages, pay their taxes, invest their money in ways that create opportunity and foster local progress or at least stability, donate what they can to worthy causes, expose liars and the corrupt and marginalize them, and conversely seek to empower the honest and the righteous. None of that is any way to become a billionaire. Quite the opposite. Its lucky if such socially responsible people become millionaires.

Billionaires tend to be psychopaths and sociopaths, or, if they inherited it, unlikely to even have much knowledge about or experience with everyday human realities. Billionaires like to gamble big. Billionaires are obsessive about money and power, and also obsess over themselves. Megalomania and feelings of personal and genetic superiority are common among them. Billionaires have more luck than skill, but tend to think they got rich through skill. Hard work, especially mental work, and focus on their goals is something I can give back-handed credit to those who became billionaires through their own devices, but their goals were mostly selfish, clearly.

Money is, in short, not even a remotely valid replacement for a psychological evaluation of good fitness for leadership.

 

Except for the fact that nobody knew how seriously Trump was wounded when he ducked down. When he stood up again it was like a miracle that he survived, as Hitler survived the bomb blast. That is NOT like performing a miracle and healing a "fatal wound" but rather being lucky and avoiding a fatal wound, as Hitler did, because the shooter missed.

 

While I'm not one of the ultra-rich or even close, my business career has put me in personal contact with many of the household names of wealth, including one of the 10 top.
The perspective is different from their postion because the objectives are different. Most are focused on building something great, be it a restaurant chain or whatever. You don't steal the patronage of the customers that make your business- you earn it. And you don't hire top people for low wages, because they will leave for better offers. What the average wage earner thinks he's worth is his delusion. The people who treat their employer as a valued customer- get valued. If they don't they can find jobs eaily that do.

I've met one very wealth person I consider to be immoral. Another that I've done business with but not met that is the same. But many more have been exceptional people of great character.
It's easier to blame the rich for being rich- but most who do like to tell themselves that those people got rich by taking money they should have had.
This is like saying the guy won this race cheated, because he ran faster than I did.

Unearned money doesn't teach people how to manage money, and those who don't will soon not have any. Lottery winners become instant mega-millionaires, and 5 years later are bankrupt.
The fact is that ordinary people can become rich by investing. If you had invested $100.00 with Buffet in 1965, today it would be worth $2.4 million- and you wouldn't have to do anything but wait; pay no taxes on it until you cashed it in. I've attended several shareholder meetings with Buffet; I've met the man. He's made many thousands of people into millionaires, and never cheated them out of anything.
I've made it a practice to ask these super-achievers how they did it. IF you ask respectfully, most will take the time to tell you. If you approach with a chip on your shoulder, you won't get a thing. They spot that in a heartbeat, and know it's a waste of time.

A good leader is not the one that tells you what you want to hear and gives you things. The best leader tells you what you need to hear, and guides the country on a safe path to the place where you can thrive without leaning on others or being leaned on. The people thinking they are entitled because they exist will never elect a good leader; they will elect the person who promises the most free benefits. They think those will fall out of trees or be paid for by "Other People", and never understand that they ARE the other people.

If you aren't a responsible individual, you will not vote for a responsible government. You will vote for self-destruction....

 

What did the republican party have to do with that? I'm fine with anyone spending their money as they choose. Apparently you are jealous that he can spend as much as he does.

 

Yes, probably. To be honest Trump is too dumb to the the anti-christ.

 

None of this conversation will matter in the least 3 days from now

Trump can’t even win Iowa

 

He may be too dumb to be the Antichrist, but according to the bible, there are many Antichrist, throughout history. Trump is just the latest of a long line. He is too dumb to be a leader of a country, but he is not too dumb to get elected. It is still a coin-flip election!

Try listening to these and tell me what you think? Too dumb to be an Antichrist?

15 Bible Verses Identifying Trump as the Antichrist

12 More Bible Verses Identifying Trump as the Antichrist

Evangelicals Are Blinded to Donald Trump

 

Virtually ALL political positions are bought, with money from supporters. The little supporters are hoping there will be benefits, the big ones have such leverage thth the politicians know they have to provide benefits in return- or there will be no money at the next election.

The current election campaign costs for President and Congress, will total about $16 Billion. A member of Congress is paid $174K a year. Do the math; then ask yourself how they are getting so rich.

About 40-50% of members of the house are millionaires. Multi-millionaires. At least a dozen are worth a hundred million or more. And- about 2/3 of the senate the same.

 

Being a millionaire is nothing special in todays world.

every starting player of most professional men’s sports teams of the last 25 years are multi millionaires.


The rookie minimum of the NFL is $800k a year. Most sign 2 or 3 years with hopes of developing into superstars ..sure , not every player makes a roster .but those that do are wealthy people

The NBA is higher and MLB a little lower

can anyone imagine the contract of Arch Manning will sign in 3 years?? My guess his contract will be the highest rookie contract in sports history

 

Yet you never see complaints that they are being overpaid and ripping off the fans.
USA Today reports the average price of an NFL ticket is currently $377, a big jump from last year when it was $235.

I have noticed that Soccer has become a super-player payer recently too. Cristiano Ronaldo is the highest-paid soccer player in the world with an estimated $260 million income in 2023....
The per-hour rate must be better than most people's annual income!

 

I always pictured the Antichrist being wounded in the head ....most probably a rifle...and being reported as dead . Three days later he comes "back from the dead". That is how I always pictured it. Being the Antichrist he would mimic Christ.

 

I think you have proven my point. Pretty much all I am seeing is an extreme focus on money, and pretty much nothing about social responsibility.

I basically have more respect for illegal immigrants who pick tomatoes than I do for rich people. I know I can't eat the money in the rich person's hand but I can eat that tomato. And when I look at the wages paid to the immigrant, its easy for the farm owner to say it was a wage agreed upon by both of them, so its fair, while ignoring his leverage to pick and choose among so many other potential helpers. But when the farm owner makes more profit than 100 of them, was that really fair? Most of his profit merely comes from ownership, not the necessary work. The system itself is inequitable, and many aspects referred to as "how the system works" amount to stealing or at least working with and promoting thieves.

Investing is a form of gambling. Pointing to a few who got rich doing it and suggesting ordinary people can do it too, is irresponsible. Throw most ordinary people into that arena and they will lose money as sure a guy off the street coming into a poker game payed by pros. We cannot all be winners by investing, because somebody has to pick those tomatoes rather than everyone sit around analyzing their investments and try and suss out who is the next Warren Buffet. There is a country to manage, and even art, libraries, item preservation, comedy, child care, exercise, house keeping, local social events, private gardens, individual rights, etc. etc. are necessary to proper management and not just money.

There is probably nothing easier to see regarding the evil of the hyper focus on money than how America promotes and fights wars abroad and profiteers off them. That system keeps the whole country high afloat. Foreign blood = American economy more than anything else. That's not social responsibility at all, not globally, that's for sure.

 

Good then all these Wall Street criminals can go to jail or get real jobs

 

Money- is just a convenience to make trading our productivity easier. It represents value, just like trading a chicken for tomatoes between pioneers. Productivity, the creation of value- is something anyone can do. But one can produce changes with many things, including how you see your purpose- if you just want to get by for today, or you have a long term plan. If you are willing to learn to gain valuable knowledge or skill, or just want to get by with what you have. If you are willing to work hard to produce, or just want to coast along. And perhaps most of all- are you willing to work smart and learn how to produce, or just plod along. These are choices anyone can make.

Some people bring a lot of social capital to the table- others bring little, and still others take away, diminishing others. There are many who will watch their fellow man work to create, nurture and work a garden, and think there is no need for them to produce, because someone else is... I'll just take some of my neighbors, because he was lucky and has more than he needs.

Fair has little to do with it. The capacity and willingness to produce has a great deal to do with it, which is why those who work hard and smart invariably do far better than those who blame others because they lacked the motivation to do better. Yes, there is some luck involved, but that is a momentary opportunity, and sooner or later, all of us have opportunities. Some recognize them... most do not. Those who work the hardest and smartest will have more- because that is one of the things they produce, while others wait for it to happen by accident.

The wealthy people you condemn are are also the people that make opportunity for others. This is like Warren Buffet and other entrepreneurs, where ordinary people have the opportunity to become wealthy by investing. Obviously you don't understand investing. It is gambling for those who just take a chance- but not for those who learn to calculate risks and keep the odds on their sides. In a casino for example, the players are gambling- but the house is not.

I'm a self-taught investor. When the mortgage crisis hit the market, I was prepared and made the right choices. I sold out early to preserve cash then, I used the right strategy to determine when and what to buy. I bought 25 stocks- 24 of them made money. One buy turned $3K into $121.5K over 5 years. A few years ago, playing the covid crash- my best one-day ever gain brought in over $107K. In that one, I another forum member asked if I would answer some questions from an investing discussion. We wound up working together, and we both did well. I don't know what his total gains were, but it was probably in the same ballpark.

It's like many things, it's a gamble if you don't know what you are doing- and learning is a choice. If you won't invest yourself in learning first, regardless if it's the market or your career or the way you handle money, you have chosen not to excel. The internet has many sites dedicated to teaching people how to invest. There are hundreds of good books. There are ways to play it very safe until you feel you can take risk, and anyone can get into the market for very little starting cash. It used to require $500 to open an account, now there is no limit, you could start with $50. BUT- if you don't bring some knowledge and skill to the table, you ARE gambling.

The world does not owe us. Opportunity is everywhere- but the people willing to take advantage of it and invest themselves are in short supply. They- become wealthy. You could be one of them.