Eschatology and Global Warming

LOL, you go on and on about it while you don't care.

You have been answered too bad you don't understand it.

 

No, it's not. It keeps going upupup. Nothing in your piece says otherwise.

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-ocean-heat

 

I understand. The current heat wave, and the ongoing temp increases in general, they can't be denied any more, and that makes your side look really bad.

 

The increase on your graph is simultaneous with the solar cycle increase I already posted. You just made my point. Thanks.

 

Your point seems to flip and flop aimlessly.

First you told us ocean heat content was cyclic, which proves your point.

Now you tell us ocean heat content is increasing, which proves your point.

And we still don't know what your point is, since you won't state it directly.

 

In successive cycles the cyclical increase aligns with the current increase in your graph.

 

LOL, once again your dishonest reply doesn't help you because I haven't disputed that there is a warming trend at any time in the last 30+ years.


Thus, again you are in deep fear of the link for post 244 because it is well above your pay grade.

 

He doesn't realize that oceans cycles in various ways.

 

No, that's false, but it seems like someone has been lying to you about what the climate realist view consists of. The sun holding to the highest sustained level of activity in thousands of years -- I guess you missed the recent extraordinary auroral displays, did you? -- would certainly lead a realist to expect increasing temperatures and heat waves. On the century- to millennium-scale, climate mainly depends on what the sun does, and that is exactly what we have seen since the end of the Little Ice Age, which coincided with the lowest sustained level of solar activity in thousands of years.

It is now well established that CO2 has almost no effect on global surface temperature, as we know from the paleo data that show much stronger correlation between CO2 and previous temperature than CO2 and subsequent temperature. The CO2 climate narrative continues to run on cherry-picked data, post hoc fallacies (see your "reasoning" above), relentless corporate media hype, naive 19th century physics, grant money, publication and career advancement for climatologists being dependent on their reliable genuflection to the narrative, and retroactive falsification of official temperature data to conform to the narrative.

 

Why does your graph start in the middle of the mid-20th century cooling phase?

 

I hope your umbrella is handy.
July 25, 2024
Rain is Coming to the Northwest During the Driest Time of the Year

Every meteorologist knows that climatology only provides typical or average conditions and that natural atmospheric variability can provide some major excursions from normal conditions.

That will certainly be true next week. Climatologically, the last week of July is the driest of the year in western Washington (see plot at SeaTac below). Best time of the year to plan a barbecue or an outdoor wedding.





But this year, the last week of July will bring rain...and even significant rain in some locations.


Let me show you. . . .

 

So much need for education, so little time.
July 23, 2024
Northwest wildfires are most frequently grass fires. Climate change is not an important contributor to grass fires.

When many folks think about Northwest wildfires they visualize a burning forest.

But in reality, most Northwest wildfires are grass or range fires, with trees playing a minor role.

As we will see, grass fires have little to do with climate change, but a LOT to do with flammable, human-spread invasive grasses and human ignition. And such grass fires can subsequently contribute to wildfires in adjacent forests. . . .

 

Plus the temperature in those locations has not increased so global warming can't possibly be a factor. The current Park Fire in northern CA was caused by a person rolled their burning car off the road and down a 60 foot embankment. Arson is not caused by global warming.

 

Yeah, rain. That's called "climate change". Did that rain happen? I don't recall it.

You, I believe, have said that the reason for our forest fires is poor forest management leaving too much dry fuel on forest floors. Is that the reason for increasing frequency of forest fires in European countries too?

 

Forest fires are not increasing in Europe.

 

Yeh, they try to slip that false premise in there. But, but, but some journalist said there were more fires!



As the planet warms there seems to be quite a lot less fire problems.

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.aal4108

 

Look again.

 

No, that's called, "you makin' $#!+ up again."

Or any other actual facts.

No, the reason for the increasing frequency of forest fires in European countries is you makin' $#!+ up again too.

 

Yeah yeah yeah. And your linked article also says "In addition to natural processes, humans have shaped patterns of global burning for millennia, and human activity is now the primary source of ignitions in tropical forests, savannas, and agricultural regions."

But your article very conveniently cherry-picks the years (18 years) that it covers although global warming and the increase in wildfires that it has brought goes back much farther than 18 years. That 18 year starting point was in 2000. Look at this 40-year graph that includes the 16 prior years omitted by your 2017 report..... https://www.visualcapitalist.com/sp/40-years-of-u-s-wildfires-in-one-chart/

It also states "Wildfires are becoming more intense and widespread—largely due to rising temperatures caused by climate change."

The USGS says "Wildfires are an essential part of forest and rangeland health. However, as climate conditions become hotter and drier, wildfires have grown more intense and destructive across much of the U.S." and "Wildland fire characteristics, such as area burned, number of large fires, burn intensity, and fire season duration, have increased steadily over the past 30 years, resulting in substantial increases in the costs of suppressing fires and managing damages from wildland fire events (National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, 2017)."

In many western US states insurance companies are beginning to modify their coverage for homeowners' insurance to exclude certain "high risk" areas, to deny coverage in many such areas, to change coverage areas according to changing conditions, and to deny existing fire coverage for some of their insured while raising coverage rates. This is becoming increasingly common in the last decade and was not a known issue for homeowners 30, 40, and 50 years ago. Even the NY Times which seems to be leaning increasingly to the right says "Extreme Wildfires Have Doubled in 2 Decades, Study Finds".

 

Please see the graphs posted in #266.

 

NASA, Canada, Australia sources all show there is a DECLINE in wildfires, it is amusing to see such resistance to the data that clearly shows it:









No increasing droughts either:

From NATURE LINK,



No increase or decrease in European drought in 150 years LINK



In America it has been getting WETTER since 1895,

 

Hmmm. First, the study I presented was of GLOBAL scope. So I’m not sure why you put up a blog about US fires. And if you want to look farther back, North American forests burned much more back beyond YOUR cherry picked era.

https://www.preventionweb.net/news/...al-forests-are-burning-lot-less-150-years-ago

Unfortunately for your narrative, globally, area burned has decreased. It’s decreased since 2002 globally and mostly regionally as well. Certainly in Europe which was the concern of the poster I replied to. That’s just a fact no matter what area you pick or time period you pick out of the global pool.

I know it isn’t fun to learn your narrative is not based on facts, but the narrative more of the planet is burning is false.

But yes, arson and other human activity like deforestation, land use change, invasive species introduction, soil degradation etc. certainly increase fire risk and ignition. They are all much more impactful than CO2 driven climate change. Anthropogenic fires are a major problem. Greece is definitely suffering from such. As is the US west. If only we hadn’t destroyed the rodents that used to protect the US west from fire.

 

Sorry, but much of that homeowner insurance issue derives from building into previously unbuilt areas.

 

Real estate appreciation outpacing CPI also plays a part.

 

The tilting of appraisals to improvement value for tax advantages also plays a part. See "How to Lie With Real Estate Statistics," by Michael Hudson:
https://michael-hudson.com/2001/03/how-to-lie-with-real-estate-statistics/