Europe To Send Conspiracy Theorists To ‘Reeducation Camps’

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Technically speaking, you're not correct. Nazi Germany did not send 6 million Jews to concentration camps. Really, it's OK to question historical claims. It's just that it should be done scientifically and not with deception for the sake of ideology, and that applies to all sides...
     
  2. Mircea

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    But we don't know they were murders. We only assume so. We don't know how many people succumbed to Typhoid Fever, for example, which is what killed Anne Frank at Bergen-Belsen.

    The proper disposal of Typhoid victims is cremation.

    I wouldn't disagree, yet for decades we were told that 4 Million Jews died at Auschwitz.
     
  3. Mircea

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    The original claim was that 2 Million Jews died in the Eastern camps (Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmno et al) and that 4 Million Jews died at Auschwitz.

    Those claims have been revised.
     
  4. Mircea

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    And died of illnesses.

    I put the figure at closer to 3.75 Million

    And yet those who disputed the 4 Million number were labeled as Holocaust Deniers.
     
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    We know they were murdered...come on.

    AA
     
  6. Mircea

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    Anne Frank wasn't murdered and neither was her father.

    How exactly did she escape Auschwitz?

    Typhus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  7. SamSkwamch

    SamSkwamch Banned

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    SIMPLE QUESTION... when was the 6,000,000 figure invented? Just say what year this incontrovertible proof was known.
     
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    It would figure that you are also a holocaust denier. Folks like you tend to run like that. Everything is a conspiracy. Everything is a lie.

    - - - Updated - - -

    So that's your cover for the Nazis? "The Nazis didn't kill them. They just all died of disease and the Nazis were doing the sanitary thing and burning the corpse." It would be funny if it wasn't so dispicable.
     
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    I dont see how this law can arrest hundreds of millions of ppl for every racist comment or if they say 4 mil died instead of 6, that's not the objective of the law IMO, there many ppl that dedicate their lives to hate, do nothing but upload lies and propganda all day and those ppl are the target, what good can such ppl give to society ? do they challenge our thinking? is it possible that blacks or Jews or Muslims do want to destroy the world ? no they are just time bombs either they will really hurt someone or one of their fans will, these are sick ppl that with or without treatment should be dragged away from society. make open trials if you fear this will be used against political rivals, Putin doesnt need this law anyway.
     
  10. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But you see, I can't agree with treating people who "do nothing but upload lies and propaganda all day" as criminal. It's a dangerous legal precedent; I don't feel that government should have that kind of power over people, to control what they think and say. That's the sort of thing fascists would do.
     
  11. SamSkwamch

    SamSkwamch Banned

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    And sent to prison for a damn thought crime. STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! And yet folks come on the internet to support it as they cannot answer simple questions about their incontrovertible proof. LOL
     
  12. Mircea

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    I never said all of them died of Typhus or other diseases.

    Read Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, for insight.

    About 1946 as far as I know. All of the college and high school text-books made the claim.
     
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    Well Europe is a bigger "market" than my country and I keep thinking about our fanatics that I would love to shut up so I guess in Europe there is more chance for Gov to abuse such law.


    buuuuuut for argument sake, I dont see that as "thought control", only limit the routs such hate can spread for the sake of the ppl that live in that society and i think gov can define excatly was is criminal hate and what isnt as well as degrees of punishments, you dont see ppl thrown to jail for stealing food yet it is stealing and defined as crime.
     
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    I wonder if religious texts like the bible or Quran which contain hate speech will be banned? If not the actual books then maybe preaching from them.

    The idea that once an international court have decided on one narrative for genocide it cannot then be questioned really does seem wrong.

    Tampering further with free speech is wrong, prohibition will actually give credence to people like holocaust deniers, look at how Irvine has become a martyr of the far right.
     
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    Text's wont, text's can always be interpreted with the spirit of the time and so Jihad turns to a quest of spreading good and thus convert ppl with love......or something like that, fanatics however - can't see how it will be avoided, if its illegal to call for death of Muslims in general, what difference does it make if the poster is a secular racist or a religous nut ?
     
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    If you look at the specific definitions it states that it includes group libel from another historical time, so interpretations of the "spirt of the time" would be included as I understand it.

    So calling homosexuality a sin might well be classed as hate speech. In the UK religions are given privalages that secularist might not be granted. Then there is the question of Parlimentary privalage, which law takes precedent. Think of Enoch Powells "rivers of blood speech" would that now be banned by EU law?
     
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    Pretty amazing that people go to jail in "free" societies for pointing out basic historical facts. Like if you point out that...

    Back in 1989, Israeli Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer said that it was time to accept that the familiar four million number was a deliberate myth. Around1990 the Auschwitz State Museum and Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust Center finally admitted that altogether about one million people, Jews and gentiles died there.

    Here is the original plaque at Auschwitz and the revised one that sits there to this day that the vast majority of true believers have no idea about as they proclaim their certainty:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Oh the horror! They corrected a mistake!
    I know that on this forum mistakes don't exist and no one ever admits to one but that doesn't mean the real world is the same.

    The communists made a mistake... Or faked the number... How exactly is that a criticism of the work historians have done on this?
     
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    LOL

    You tell me, bro. But, folks have been incarcerated for pointing that out.
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who exactly has gone to jail for pointing out that the plaque was wrong?
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    Ernst Zündel for one.

    And from wiki:

    Laws against Holocaust denial have been enforced in most jurisdictions that have them. Convictions and sentencings include:
    Date Name Country where the sentence was pronounced Sentence
    September 1987/June 1999 Jean-Marie Le Pen France, Germany fines of €183,000 (1987), €6,000 (1999)[70] and €30,000 (2016)[71]
    Feb. 27, 1998 Roger Garaudy France 6 months' imprisonment (suspended), ₣240,000 (€37,500) fine[72]
    Jul. 21, 1998 Jürgen Graf Switzerland 15 months' imprisonment (fled Switzerland to avoid sentence)[73]
    Jul. 21, 1998 Gerhard Förster Switzerland 12 months' imprisonment, disgorgement[74]
    April 8, 1999 Fredrick Töben Australia 7 months' imprisonment Mannheim, Germany – retrial – 2011 indefinitely stayed by judge Dr Meinerzhagen. October 1 – November 19, 2008, London, extradition to Mannheim, Germany, on European Arrest Warrant issued by Germany, failed. August 15 – November 12, 2009, Adelaide, Australia – for contempt of court because he refused to stop questioning the Holocaust's 3 basics: 6 million, systematic state extermination, gas chambers as murder weapon.
    May 27, 1999 Jean Plantin France 6 months' imprisonment (suspended), fine, damages[75]
    Apr. 11, 2000 Gaston-Armand Amaudruz Switzerland 1 year's imprisonment, damages[76]
    Feb. 20, 2006 David Irving Austria 3 years' imprisonment.[77] Released and deported after serving 13 months.
    Mar. 15, 2006 Germar Rudolf Germany 2½ years' imprisonment[78]
    Oct. 3, 2006 Robert Faurisson France €7,500 fine, 3 months' probation[79]
    Feb. 15, 2007 Ernst Zündel Germany 5 years' imprisonment[80]
    Nov. 8, 2007 Vincent Reynouard France 1 year's imprisonment and a fine of 10,000 euros[81]
    Jan. 14, 2008 Wolfgang Fröhlich Austria 6 years' imprisonment (third offence)[82]
    Jan. 15, 2008 Sylvia Stolz Germany 3½ years' imprisonment[83]
    Mar. 11, 2009 Horst Mahler Germany 5 years' imprisonment[84]
    Oct. 23, 2009 Dirk Zimmerman Germany 9 months' imprisonment[85]
    Oct. 27, 2009 Richard Williamson Germany €12,000 fine[86] (later overturned)[citation needed]
    Jan. 31, 2013 Gyorgy Nagy Hungary 18-month suspended jail sentence [87]
    Feb. 11, 2015 Vincent Reynouard France 2 years' imprisonment [88]
    Nov. 12, 2015 Ursula Haverbeck Germany 10 months' imprisonment [89]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
     
  22. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Use the quote function. I guess you just want to avoid being told the obvious.
    None of them were arrested because of the plaque like you claimed.

    Dishonesty a trait you cultivate?
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is it hard to understand the difference between the plaque at Auschwitz and holocaust denial?
    Was Zundels "book" about the plaque specifically? No... It was about the total figure which still stands.
    Please stop being dishonest.

    Read it here:
    http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres5/harwoodeng.pdf
     
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    I hope you are being sarcastic. If not, why should Dan Brown or a holocaust denier/skeptic be prosecuted? What's the crime?
     
  25. Gaius_Marius

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    It's in the post you quoted. Read it carefully and you might find it.
     

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