Even as vaccine numbers rise, Democrats double down on masks

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Masks didn't work the first time. Well if you refuse to wear a mask how could they work!
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    It sure seems strange the right would rebel against the very things that slow down the recovery and then complain about it.
     
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    They didn't work when people wore them, either, lol. If they worked so well, why are liberals proposing wearing two or even three masks at a time, lol...
     
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    And your evidence is?
     
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    https://americanconservativemovemen...masks-are-absolutely-worthless-against-covid/
    'The sentence Cortes quoted from the study’s conclusion reads: “The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks.”
    According to the current knowledge, the virus SARS-CoV-2 has a diameter of 60 nm to 140 nm [nanometers (billionth of a meter)] [16], [17], while medical and non-medical facemasks’ thread diameter ranges from 55 µm to 440 µm [micrometers (one millionth of a meter), which is more than 1000 times larger [25]. Due to the difference in sizes between SARS-CoV-2 diameter and facemasks thread diameter (the virus is 1000 times smaller), SARS-CoV-2 can easily pass through any facemask.'

    Of course, that's just one of several similar studies.

    Other, less scientific evidence is the political "experts" saying that we might need to wear TWO masks, lol.
     
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    Why would you rely on a far right website to tell you what is in the study vice reading it yourself?

    The study they wrote about was published in "Medical Hypotheses" which is a not-conventionally-peer reviewed medical journal published by Elsevier. Their whole point is to publish things that are off the wall and they do not in anyway verify anything posted in their journal.

    The study was done by a exercise physiologist and not an actual MD or someone that would know if mask worked or not .

    The 12 physiological effects as being caused by wearing a face mask have all been tested since the article came out and found to be false, which is why he did not offer any actual evidence these things happened.
     
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    For me to take your genetic fallacy seriously here, you'd need to show that the source I quoted did NOT get the quotes they took from the study correct, or that the study was taken grossly out of context. You just attack the source. So what? That's a logical fallacy on your part.
     
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    They did take quotes from the survey. They gave you the quotes they wanted to guide your opinion, knowing that it would never occur to you to actually read the study itself. These sources know their audience well.

    But they did not say anything about the source of the study or the person that did the study and their qualifications for doing so.

    Medical Hypotheses with publish almost anything.

    And there is still nothing in the study actually supporting the conclusions.
     
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    Rocker Ted Nugent is revealing he was in agony after testing positive for coronavirus — months after he said the virus was “not a real pandemic.”

    I thought I was dying,” Nugent says in a Facebook live video posted Monday. “I literally could hardly crawl out of bed the last few days,” adding: “So I was officially tested positive for COVID-19 today.”

    Nugent, a supporter of ex-President Donald Trump, previously called the pandemic a scam and has railed against public health restrictions. He has repeated a narrative pushed by conservative media and disputed by health experts that suggests the official death count from the coronavirus is inflated.
     
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    They sure did.
    "He was quoting directly from the NCBI publication of the study. The government website he linked to features a peer-reviewed study by Stanford University’s Baruch Vainshelboim. In it, he cited 67 scholars, doctors, scientists, and other studies to support his conclusions."
     
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    Rated FALSE
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...l-hypotheses-journal-article-lacks-evidence-/

    Not peer reviewed.

    And more debunking of your source:
    https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.com/seeing-not-necessarily-believing
     
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    It is not a peer reviewed study.

    Nowhere on the NCBI pages does it say it has been peer reviewed.

    Baruch Vainshelboim has no connection to Stanford University. Here is his linkedin page...https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-vainshelboim-5591b532/

    It was published in Medical Hypotheses...this is what they say about their journal...

    Medical Hypotheses is a forum for ideas in medicine and related biomedical sciences. It will publish interesting and important theoretical papers that foster the diversity and debate upon which the scientific process thrives. It does not do conventionally peer review.
     
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    What is your proof?

    I believe you mean the vaccine that Trump sped up by his actions.

    Biden has not helped at all. Were I wrong you would have proven you are correct. Biden came when things were set in motion by Trump.
     
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    Why do you constantly include insults against posters?

    Nothing in the post you replied to insulted any poster.
     
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    Do you have a link to the Trump administration projections?

    I do not give a flying **** what private citizen Trump said on 4/19/21
     
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    But you can. I stopped wearing a mask after vaccination. You can too.
     
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    He talked about it and the projections for now from his administration then in that interview.
     
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    Trump did such a good job it would be easy for King Kong to increase the distribution. Bozo Biden is only good at hurting people's lives.
     
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    Being vaccinated has a point. To let us stop wearing a mask. We will be immune. I have 8 more days to get the last vaccination.
     
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    The vaccine does not make you immune, it makes you far less likely to get it and if you do get it your symptoms will be mild.

    Think of the flu vaccine as an example
     
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