Even as vaccine numbers rise, Democrats double down on masks

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  1. kreo

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    You do not have any case, you just want everyone to be a slave and wear a muzzle.
     
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    Anti mask hysteria still very common, I see.
     
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    . . . and? So the **** what? You do realize there is no such thing as "extra flu," right? You either have the flu or you don't. If you are exhaling the flu virus (meaning you are already infected), and you have a higher concentration of flu-contaminated droplets near your body, you aren't going to end up with "extra flu." Please tell me you understand this.
     
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    And getting more hysterical by the day.
     
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    And your evidence that flu virus congregates in bigger particles that Covid particles is ?
     
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    You are still speaking complete gibberish. What "particles" are you talking about? Why do flu viruses only aggregate into larger particles and covid viruses only aggregate into smaller particles?

    Flu viruses are covid-19 viruses are roughly the same size (approx 0.1 micron, or 100 nanometers)
     
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    First off these vaccines aren't 100% effective, they are more like 65% to 95% effective. Vaccination requires two shots and only 26% of the population has done this. Additionally we have variants popping up all the time, and its just a matter of time before one that is immune to vaccines will start spreading. A triple mutations variant appeared in India recently and we aren't sure vaccines work on it yet. Many variants have already proven to be resistant to natural immunity if you had covid before.
     
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    New Vaccine/Safe Activity Chart

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    The fact is that masks protect from the flue but not from the coronavirus.
    There is zero scientific data that masks protect from coronavirus in any way
    What is a mechanism of protection?
     
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    Yeah, concentration of his OWN droplets! They might contain viruses or not; if they do, the man is already infected anyway, although possibly asymptomatic.
     
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    Concentration and viability of viruses is important. The point is that wearing mask increases concentration. Infected person concentrate viruses while wearing mask on the street, then get into the store and exhale all those viruses in the air.
     
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    Perhaps you could explain the process whereby the "concentrated viruses" know when they are inside a store? Do they sort of say "we're inside, come on guys let's go"

    The virus is effectively a globule of fat. Have you ever tried to remove globules of fat from an absorbent surface?
     
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    The video demonstrate clearly that particles stays around longer with a mask.
    If you are talking about globules of fat, then that video does not support idea of wearing masks.
     
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    Masks do not protect from flu viruses nor coronaviruses. Those viruses are roughly the same size.

    Correct.
     
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    Yea, in the air for a couple of seconds around the person who is already infected. What has that got to do with any viruses on the mask?
     
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    The guy already "exhaled all those viruses" before entering the store, and even the new ones he produces will stay closer to him after he enters the store; and, hopefully, the people he meets in the store have been clever enough to wear a mask as well.
     
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    No those viruses accumulated in his mask.
    Instead of leaving viruses on the street he brings them into the store.
     
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    Probably good that they stay inside the mask then, so that other people are protected from him.
     
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    Yea, but they penetrate mask and get accumulated on the mask surface, rather then to be dropped on the street before infected enters public facility.
    They penetrate cotton cells because they are small.
     
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    No.
     
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    whatever
    you are entitled to have your opinion
     
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    Seeing a pattern here?
    They propose a solution, with the insinuated claim that solution will solve the problem, and then when it doesn't solve the problem they say another solution is needed.

    They could have just been upfront before hand that they wanted a solution, but recognized that solution by itself probably wouldn't solve the problem and they want other solutions to go along with that too, but that would make it less practical to push the solution in the first place.
    Make people think the problem is easier to solve than it is, to motivate them to do something.
     
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    Yes, I do see a pattern here. I see that deniers and anti-vaxers do not understand how science works. Or maybe some of them do and deliberately lie to the public.

    Scientists are learning new things about this virus every day and they are very openly making their discoveries directly available to the public that, mostly doesn't understand anything in science. And, yes, some elements of that knowledge change every day, which may give the general public the impression that scientists know nothing or even that they are being manipulated.

    And, of course, deniers, anti-vax, and more generally anti-science lunatics are rushing in to try and capitalize on the slightest mistake, contradiction, or poor communication or other weakness in order to spread their nonsense to a population that's a bit overwhelmed by the situation and, hence, ready to swallow a lot of stupid allegations; and the more anti-conformist they look the more attractive they are; as witnessed by recent events, fake news and alternate "facts" are very popular nowadays.

    That's the inconvenience of life coverage.
     
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    You are mixing up science and politics.
    Unlike politics, science never report absolute numbers to scare people.
     

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