Evidence reveals Obama's "official " birth certificate was actually photo-shopped!

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  1. SFJEFF

    SFJEFF New Member

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    What are you talking about? Are you talking about Obama Sr.- who did grow up in Kenya, or Barack Obama, our President who has spent maybe 30 days in Kenya in his entire life?

    What suppression?

    What mysterious death of his grandmother?

    there is not a thing you posted that makes any sense.
     
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    Not a one.

    There really is only one relevant source- and that his birth certificate, which has been confirmed by the State of Hawaii.


    Other than my mother, who was drugged at the time- none. Everyone else is either dead or it is hearsay. Even my best friends just know about my birth because of what I have told them.

    I don't know, and I don't care. President Obama was born over 50 years ago. His parents are both dead. The doctor is dead.

    Frankly- even though the Governor of Hawaii says he remembers, since he was friends with the family- that isn't evidence either.

    This is the reason we have birth certificates- so we are not relying upon 50 year old memories of neighbors who heard something from the milkman.




    Not a tough question at all- its an irrelevant question.

    And what gaps?
     
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    OK. It is time for me to weigh in on the subject with my opinion.

    You ready for this?

    I do believe there is a conspiracy here perpetrated by Obama and it is both devious and brilliant at the same time. This is just my belief. I have no evidence to back it up because the only way you could prove it is to actually get a confession from Obama or his staff.

    Anyone have a guess as to what the conspiracy entails and why I feel it is true?
     
  4. SFJEFF

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    Suppressed by whom and how?

    What do you want to talk about Kenya- Obama has been there twice- both times as an adult. What would you like to know that you can't be bothered to use Google to find out?

    The information is all there- Obama even wrote a book about it.
     
  5. SFJEFF

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    We know this the same way we know that Romney was a missionary in France- from Obama's own memoirs and other publications.

    You can say we don't know, but in that same vein anyone who was not a hypocrite would say we don't know what Gingrich or Romney were doing their whole childhood. Or Bush or Clinton or Reagan...etc.

    Unless you have evidence to the contrary, everything else is speculation.
     
  6. SFJEFF

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    So you really don't know anything do you?

    I thought you said you do research.
     
  7. WongKimArk

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    One.

    My birth certificate.

    My parents and delivering physician are dead. The hospital at which I was born no longer exists.

    First, look up "hearsay."

    Second, what would lead you to hallucinate that is not also true with Obama?

    Third... this is why we invented birth certificates in the first place. So we only need one.

    Almost certainly. But look up "hearsay" again, and refresh yourself on why we invented birth certificates.
     
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    There is no such talk that requires suppression. Obama mever visited Kenya prior to his 26th birthday.

    We know from the first hand testimony of others that record every step of his personal life. Go here for an extensive accounting:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/

    It covers:

    Hawaii: from Birth to Age 6

    Indonesia: from Age 6 to Age 10

    Hawaii: Age 10 to High School Graduation

    California: Occidental College

    New York: Columbia University

    New York: First jobs

    Business International

    NYPIRG​

    Chicago: Starting a Career

    Developing Communities Project​

    Cambridge: Harvard Law School

    Official Sources: Print, Video, Online

    Contemporaneous Sources

    Harvard Law Review: Contributors and Editors

    People: Classmates, Faculty, Others​

    Chicago: Building a Career

    Miner, Barnhill & Galland

    University of Chicago Law School

    Philanthropist

    Published Author

    Politician​

    According to the Birther lie, that would be his Kenyan step-grandmother, Sarah Obama. She is still very much alive, and in the public eye all the time.

    Of course she never said Obama was born in Kenya. That's just another Birther lie that never dies.

    I've never mentioned Krypton.
     
  9. Really People?

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    The only relevant sources have long since verified...

    Anything else is just stupidity...
     
  10. Mr_Truth

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    ..... still waiting for that proof [sic] .....


    .....


     
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    That Obama manufactured the entire birther controversy to make Republicans and small-government-types look like drooling retards?

    Yeah, I've thought it. As much as I hate to admit it, being a libertarian, it's god (*)(*)(*)(*) brilliant if true.
     
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    But really the effect is apparently so small to be almost immeasurable. Again a risk vs reward thing- there is no apparent gain since most voters really aren't aware of how idiotic Birthers are- or that they even exist- so what is the reward for the risk for a manufactured controversy being exposed?

    I mean I would love to find out that Obama is just that much more brilliant than the Republicans, but I don't really believe it.

    Which is funny when I stop and think about it. The Obama opponents both call him a bumbling idiot and also accuse him of the most brilliant conspiracy in the history of the Presidency of the U.S.- and see no contradiction there.
     
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    I do believe it is a manufactured conspiracy, but one that is impossible to prove without a confession. That is why it is brilliant and very low risk. Even if it were discovered, he has done nothing illegal and worst case it would be blown off as a joke on the birthers. Here is why I believe this.

    Obama was forced to release his birth certificate. What is the most common medium to distribute a picture of something on the Internet? The jpeg picture format. Simple. No software required. Very safe. No problems.

    What format did they release the picture in? PDF. When I first looked at the PDF, I thought it was extremely odd because of the way the picture was constructed with the different layers. I had never seen anything like it and my first reaction was "why would someone go through that much trouble to assemble a picture?"

    I am a PDF expert. It is part of what I do for a living. It also means I have access to every version of Adobe Acrobat from current back to version 3. Guess what Acrobat does when importing a picture; it slices and dices it and pretty much does exactly what we see in Obama's BC.

    So why wouldn't Obama do this extra step to confuse the issue? Why force people to have Adobe Reader or some other PDF software? Why give birthers ammo for claiming something fishy is going on?

    Because it is a great distraction and a great talking point when he needs to denigrate conservatives.

    Do I think he did this on purpose? Yes. It is a very media savvy move which wouldn't hurt him politically even if complicity was discovered. Why? The people that support him would get a kick out of his manipulation. The people he manipulated already hate him. The rest who are generally annoyed by the birther idiocy would get a chuckle out of how Obama played with the birthers and made them look like complete idiots.

    I don't see a down side or why Obama WOULDN'T do this. If I were president and I had that opportunity, I would probably do it. Again the ONLY way the conspiracy could be proven is by a direct confession, and even if it were proven, most would probably laugh. No crime has been committed. Nothing dishonest was done. There is nothing "wrong" with giving conspiratards attacking you the ammo they need to hang themselves when the ammo you give them is true and valid.
     
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    I do. just not from the archives of Foxy sNews and Snopes like you guys...lol
     
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    Here you go:

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    He wasn't born in Canada.
     
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    And here is why you are probably wrong.

    But it is not the most common medium for delivering a document over the Internet. If the scanning of documents into pdf formats is already the standard process used by the administrative assistant who created this electronic version, it would be unreasonable to expect then to treat a document (which a birth certificate clearly is) the same way they might treat a photograph.

    Also... what would cause anyone to hallucinate that no software is required to scan a picture?

    Hold that thought.

    You have just contradicted yourself. One paragraph ago you were asserting that the "layers" in the Whitehouse pdf were "odd." Now you are changing your mind and saying that it is a completely ordinary thing that Adobe Acrobat just "does."

    But more importantly, you are seemingly ignorant of an important step that must be taken before Acrobat "slices and dices" a pdf. Simply importing an image into Acrobat does not "slice and dice" anything. It is the process of optimizing the pdf for publication to the Web that deconstructs it into components. That simple fact both fills an inexplicable omission in your expertise and provides the obvious reason why the document is at it is; it was intended for publication to the web.

    I have to note; your reputation as "a PDF expert" is not served well by this post.

    Assumes facts not in evidence; i.e. that it was done "to confuse the issue."

    It appears (to any rational person) that the intent was simply to efficiently publish to the Web. It is (again, to any rational person) unreasonable to expect the person creating the image to have thought like a Birther and anticipated the idiotic and amateurish response it would elicit by a fleet of incompetent Birther analysts.

    You can't make anything idiot proof, because idiots are just too ingenious.
     
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    Now show me proof that this is the ''official'' one disclosed by Hawaii's Republican governor.
     
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    Did you not notice that document is signed by Dudley Doright?

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    http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

    The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a "long form" birth certificate.
    "We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i," Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. "I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i."
    On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).
    On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.
    President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).
    In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a "short form" birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.

    You have absolutely nothing that can overcome the strength of that evidence. Nothing. Anything that you have that appears to contradict that is insubstantial.

    As you have now admitted, on other threads, this is not about evidence for you, but instead it's about your bias against Obama.
     
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    As Patriot911 will tell you, claiming the conspirators are simultaneously idiotic and brilliant is no unusual thing for conspiracy kooks.
     
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    Can't. she sealed the records. Only Obama can request it. but he won't because he knows it's not there.

    So just like the OJ case, all we can do is put 2 and 2 together.


    You do believe OJ killed Nicole right?
     
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