Ex-Transgender Teenager Sues Kaiser Permanente over Double Mastectomy

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  1. CornPop

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    WPATH is junk advocacy and not science.

    The British Journal of Medicine calls them out for poor methodologies focused on their political interests rather than healthcare needs and warns clinicians to proceed cautiously regarding their studies. Due to poor evidence and methodologies, the ECRI gives them the lowest possible rating. The only people who take them seriously are fellow trans-activists and far-left media entities.
     
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    Wow!
    She brought tears to my eyes at the end.
    I don't know what's going on with Georgia's laws and transgender youth.
    Must see,
     
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    Maybe she can go give that cute little speech to the victims who now regret being butchered. She's just spewing liberal BS talking points with a COMPASSIONATE twist.
    GET REAL
     
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    The problem with her rant is that while parents anguish with the idea of taking off their kid's genitals, it isn't helpful when they see doctors acting as advocates citing bad healthcare studies such as WPATH, as you did above. A problem with gender-affirming care is that there are radical ideologues who are trying to hijack the science. We have seen a huge shift that used to just be "puberty blockers are perfectly safe. All they do is give you time to decide if you want to go through puberty. If you want to, you just stop taking them, and it's like nothing happened. It's completely reversible" When in reality, it's very likely that they'll never be able to have children, as well as poor sexual function and risks to brain development. They were lied to. The parents were anguished over this decision and consulted the experts only to be given advocacy by adults looking to justify their personal views rather than provided with actual science.

    For example, the NHS now finally admits:
     
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    I agree that it's all out of control and sadly many parents didn't educate themselves with 2nd and 3rd opinions.
    Reading Chloe Cole's lawsuit it states that the first endocrinologist she went to said she was too young for to start on the blockers and they went to another doctor who started her.
    I looked up the endro doctor's name and he was also affiliated with Kaiser.
    This is a prime example of the divisions that exist in medically treating these kids which also gives the parents a damn good reason to stop and investigate, Chloe's didn't.
    How any parent could sign off for their 13 and 15 yr daughter's breasts to be removed is way beyond mind-boggling.
    I
    We can't forget this is a huge money making business, therapists,shrinks, pharmaceuticals,
    doctors.surgeons.
    The pendulum is swinging back on the whole industry and state after state will continue putting a stop on all treatment for minors.
    Then we have states where it's free range.

    It may have to come down to federal laws that protect kids from themselves and the adults and have strict regulations in place and never ever surgery under 18.

    And the internet is where many teens discover all this and if they're psychologically suffering they believe they found the solution to all their troubles.

    PARENTS NEED TO WAKE THE **** UP!
     
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    They caught a 13 yr old girl while she was vulnerable, and sliced her breasts off.

    'Layla Jane is an 18-year-old woman who began to identify as transgender at age 11. Jane, at the time, wanted to transition to a male. Initially, doctors at Kaiser denied her any transition hormones, saying she could take them after turning 16. However, doctors changed their minds, approved her request, and performed a double mastectomy when she was 13.'

    'Chloe Cole, 18, is another young woman who detransitioned and filed a lawsuit against the hospital giant.'

    Read more here...
     
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    Both gals should be suing their parents too .
    Funny how according to Conservatives these parents went from child abusers to victims.

    • "Jane wrote on Twitter, “Mind boggling to me that a doctor signed off on a double mastectomy for me before I took a sex ed course. I barely started 8th grade, I was 13.”
     
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    But you are fine with “assigning” a gender to an intersex child even if that means removal of the penis and undescended testes?
     
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    They changed their minds??? What was she doing attempting suicide multi times? Self mutilation? Hunger strike? Some patients can be very very manipulative
     
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    Probably watching CNN and reading things like the goobly gunk pseudoscience that you like to post
     
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    I agree, I just don't care for those who make sour accusations when this issue is a personal one. I still won't interfere with those that choose otherwise.
     
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    I didn't suspect they would use those words - I'm just curious about Dems who are 'encouraging' children to take those steps.
     
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    To be fair, you've basically said you'd allow a parent to sexually abuse their child because you do not believe any form of child abuse should be regulated or interfered with. So I don't think it's fair to accuse others of making "sour accusations."
     
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    I did not say that. Not sure why MAGAs have to constantly speak for other people so they can manipulate an argument.
     
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    Well those "steps" are sometimes a part of "gender affirming care". I'm sure deep down many of them don't actually like it but they support it to push the party narrative. Also, kinda related but I'm curious to know how they determine the difference between real gender dysphoria and a FAD
    FADs happen all too much, even amongst older kids/young adults.
    I swear there was this time when I was in 9th grade where almost every single person you asked "what do you wanna do after high school" and 9 out of 10 would say "Chiropractor". Only one of them that I know of ever became that.
    The good thing with that though, is they could always go get a different degree if they didn't like that field. You can't do that unfortunately with CHOPPED OFF BUTCHERED BODY PARTS
    Just sayin!
     
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    Okay - so no one is 'encouraging' these steps. Making something available is not encouraging it.
     
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    Here's a couple examples I previously screenshotted.
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    Female genital mutilation is an internationally recognized human rights violation and is considered a form of extreme sexual violence that comes with permanent physical and mental health risks. You were given multiple opportunities to save face but doubled down repeatedly. "Yes exactly" in response to whether or not you'd want to allow this sexual violence to occur. You claim removing a child's clitoris is "freedom." Female genital mutilation is extremely painful and done to remove the sexual gratification of women permanently.
     
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    So why was it the option for this 13 year old then? at such a young age i'm sure there are plenty more options
     
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    Let me break it down, since the circumcision comparison failed the poster went to clitoris removal which we all know is done for ZERO health reasons and is just to make sure the woman doesn't feel as much pleasure. It isn't medical at all. I mean hey, we all know when the left can't prove us wrong on facts they have to resort to insane deviations from the content matter
     
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    Agreed. It's about male control and dominance over women, particularly in their sex life.
     
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    Twist the words to make your argument, standard for MAGAs
     
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    Me: So you want to allow parents to engage in female genital mutilation (a human rights violation)?
    You: Yes, exactly. That is the price of "freedom."

    These are your words. This is the conversation. Nothing is twisted. This is what you said.
     
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    Word choices mean something. You accused the Left of 'encouraging' these options. Making something available is not encouraging it.
     
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